Improve the Roulette System

[Zumi]

I think I said the solution in another topic its what Blizzard did. You need to offer a big enough reward to get tanks to queue into dungeons solo not with their friends. You can give them a grab bag that they can earn once a day but it requires you to queue solo. It had about 100 gold in WoW which is like 100k in FFXIV and about a 15% chance at a mount or minion, these mounts/pets were often dropped in old raids/dungeons. So to make it so more tanks want to queue up you offer the random bag that always has 100k gil and a chance at all the primal mounts and dungeon drop minions. When they added the grab bag the dps queue times went from 30-40 min to 10 min.

[VanilleFang]

dps queue times went from 30-40 min to 10 min.

That's because everyone went to play tank to get free stuff. Fewer DPS and more tanks = easier time for DPS to get into an instance. So it's not just that tanks were going into the instances, but that they were gaining more tanks and people were quitting being DPS.

This would be a terrible idea. We would have too many tanks and too much gil floating around.

[QiLymePye]

Like Mirielle said, They need to change the mechanics of Tank. Its boring. Not many people play videogames to be bored. You play to have fun, to do things you can't/shouldn't do in real life. Tanking in this game turned down alot of people because of not only the responsibility and blame tacked to it, but visually, it unimpressive. Like i said before, tanking is boring. When you think of the word tank, the first thing i think of is a military tank. Big, powerful, slow, but when it comes on the battle field, you either take it out first, or try to avoid it. PLD sucks in this game. You literally have King Arthur style armor, sword, and a crown, but you cant kill a damn cactuar faster than a MNK, BRD, or some of the other jobs. And its skills look boring, are boring. I don't want to just tell enemies" hey look at me, now keep hitting me cause i have a billion hp, and im gonna hit you but we just gonna trade hits while my BRD/BLM damage you. Stupid.

[Ellatrix]

Like Mirielle said, They need to change the mechanics of Tank. Its boring.

It isn't boring and tank damage output is nothing to scoff at.. if you actually know how to play the job.

[IfritReborn]

It isn't boring and tank damage output is nothing to scoff at.. if you actually know how to play the job.

Judging from that post I'd say they may be referring to a tank mechanic in WoW during Cataclysm and into MoP called Vengeance.

It was very OP, and brought tank's dps into the range of pure DPS classes and sometimes even more. It caused a lot more people to play tanks in terms of PvE and PvP because they were incredibly strong. So yes, compared to that, tank damage in this game is something to scoff at and is very boring.

I'm certainly not saying something like that should happen here though >.>

[Ellatrix]

Judging from that post I'd say they may be referring to a tank mechanic in WoW during Cataclysm and into MoP called Vengeance.

It was very OP, and brought tank's dps into the range of pure DPS classes and sometimes even more. It caused a lot more people to play tanks in terms of PvE and PvP because they were incredibly strong. So yes, compared to that, tank damage in this game is something to scoff at and is very boring.

I'm certainly not saying something like that should happen here though >.>

Properly played, a tank will be at 70~80% of the damage output of a good and equally geared dps in most fights in the game - including several turns in final coil.

[QiLymePye]

It isn't boring and tank damage output is nothing to scoff at.. if you actually know how to play the job.

Tank is boring. Oh let me clarify, tanking as a PLD is boring. I love WAR. But PLD suffers horribly in this game. Dmg output is no where that of WAR. And Playing PLD....boring. Thats why you have no tanks in the game. If you gave me the choice, im picking WAR everytime, and thats only one of the two tank roles available. Once again, you will have people that are elitist, completionist, but many people with this game wanna have fun, hence why most are playing DPS. Its flashy, you feel like you are doing something. Until they make tanking more fun than chore, we are gonna have the same issues, no matter how many Tank jobs they add.

[Ashkendor]

Even adding new tank jobs won't fix the issue of long queues for dps. As someone said, it isn't a roulette issue, even. More tank jobs won't make people want to play tank -- those that can stand tanking are tanks already and we still have a shortage. Many, like myself, only use my tank to help FC people or only tank when I am with friends/full FC party. The issue is the attitude that is so prevalent in DF where everyone wants to speed run, dps pull, don't listen, and/or are abusive to each other (this includes those tanks who use DF and are abusive to others). To me, it is a community problem based a lot on how SE designed the system to reward certain behaviors (speed runs to get max tomes/rewards in the quickest way possible). Until this kind of design and this kind of attitude players have, that their time and way of playing is somehow more important than others, changes, there won't be any short dps queues in the future no matter if there were 50 tank roles.

Like Mirielle said, They need to change the mechanics of Tank. Its boring.

Odd, I don't see anywhere in that post that she said that there should be changes to the mechanics of tank or that tanks are boring to play. What she did say is that being a tank can suck because of people's attitudes toward you. They want huge pulls to get the dungeon over with quickly, but god forbid if you wipe on one because you'll never hear the end of it even if it wasn't your fault. As far as tanking jobs being boring - just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean there aren't those that do. I personally enjoy Paladin a lot. I just don't enjoy people's attitudes in Duty Finder so I generally queue up with at least one other person in a premade when I do tank.

In any case, why would you be able to kill something faster than a DPS class? That would be pretty stupid. ._.

It isn't boring and tank damage output is nothing to scoff at.. if you actually know how to play the job.

Basically this.