Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

EDIT:And i m not saying summoner is doing good or bad dps and i do not even care in this tread because we are talking about mana issues not actual dps. The thing what ppl are requesting is removing mana bar from summoners. Removing mechanics from summoners is not right way fix the job, that is my opinion.
News flash: there isn't a single high end raiding group in the game that doesn't use meters. The devs know about it and have demonstrated that they don't mind. Also our meters are usually the same numbers give or take 1-5 DPS.

The problem here is we're talking about numbers, and you refuse to use them, so your argument is literally meaningless. You really can't talk about SMN's DPS in relation to other classes if you don't even know what SMN and other classes do.

Also MP isn't the only issue here. Even with infinite MP, we'd still be competing for worst DPS in the game. The reason we do more DPS in shorter fights is not only because we run dry on MP, but because we have double Aetherflow stacks at the beginning of a fight, so our beginning-of-fight burst is reasonably high. The longer a fight goes, the smaller that portion of the fight becomes, and the more our DPS falls.