SMN mp needs sorting out

[Sunako]

That topic is like same if you ask why BLM need use their umbral ice for lowering their damage, why they can not use fire all of the time? The answer is because it is part of their rotation just like energy drain is for summoner. You guys does not see it, because you do not need it in easy content, thats why summoner is stronger than any other class in easy content. Game is supposed 2 be balanced in the end game content and thats why u feel you are weaker in the end game content.

[Zholi]

That topic is like same if you ask why BLM need use their umbral ice for lowering their damage, why they can not use fire all of the time? The answer is because it is part of their rotation just like energy drain is for summoner. You guys does not see it, because you do not need it in easy content, thats why summoner is stronger than any other class in easy content. Game is supposed 2 be balanced in the end game content and thats why u feel you are weaker in the end game content.

I feel they are weaker in endgame content because my FC keeps a database of these things, and it's a proven fact. It's just cold, hard numbers. It has nothing to do with "feelings."

Your premise is completely false as well. SMN is not stronger than any other class in easy content.

[Sunako]

I feel they are weaker in endgame content because my FC keeps a database of these things, and it's a proven fact. It's just cold, hard numbers. It has nothing to do with "feelings."

Your premise is completely false as well. SMN is not stronger than any other class in easy content.

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

EDIT:And i m not saying summoner is doing good or bad dps and i do not even care in this tread because we are talking about mana issues not actual dps. The thing what ppl are requesting is removing mana bar from summoners. Removing mechanics from summoners is not right way fix the job, that is my opinion.

[Mature]

When running out of mp use less festers and more energy drain simple as that.

Might as well go Sch dpsing......plenty of mp to use none stop

I hope SE is reading this and I wonder if the jp community said a thing about it

[Zumi]

Might as well go Sch dpsing......plenty of mp to use none stop

I hope SE is reading this and I wonder if the jp community said a thing about it

SCH doesn't have a pet that does damage.

[Krr]

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

So then, if every parser on earth is unreliable and wrong, how do you know if the SMN's DPS is balanced 'just right' in raid content, and 'the strongest' in all other encounters? The undisputable logical power of conjecture and feelings without factual data? A combat log and an abacus?

[Sunako]

So then, if every parser on earth is unreliable and wrong, how do you know if the SMN's DPS is balanced 'just right' in raid content, and 'the strongest' in all other encounters? The undisputable logical power of conjecture and feelings without factual data? A combat log and an abacus?

I m not saying it is balanced but thats what it should be. It is pretty logical because you can 100% fester in easy content so you should be top dps + you can use double aetherflow stacks in the begin of the fight that give u pretty big handicap compared other classes. I do not have any numbers because i m not using that kind of tools. I only have theory how things should work and usually every skill have some kind of purpose why those are in the ability list. In this case energy drain is on our ability list for purpose once we need mana.

[Havenchild]

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game.

First off, it's cute you said this statement because you did it, to try to devalue his opinion. Parsers are used regardless by the end-game raiding community and the numbers reflected are the numbers reflected.

I'm not saying it is balanced but thats what it should be. It is pretty logical because you can 100% fester in easy content so you should be top dps + you can use double aetherflow stacks in the begin of the fight that give u pretty big handicap compared other classes. I do not have any numbers because i m not using that kind of tools. I only have theory how things should work and usually every skill have some kind of purpose why those are in the ability list. In this case energy drain is on our ability list for purpose once we need mana.

There is a bias premise here for your argument. SMN DPS is higher based on the length of a fight, including uptime factors, which BY far effect the other DPS classes way more then SMN. Easy Content that dies in a very small amount of time, will come out favorable for a SMN but also a BRD low and behold. Just because you can focus Festering on easy content does not guarantee you top DPS and in most cases it won't on anything that lasts longer then about 2 minutes or so vs good players on any other class sans MAYBE a BRD.

[Akiza]

SE needs to reduce the cool down of Enkindle to 60s then it'll be in line with other DPS jobs.

[Zholi]

How can you prove that SMN dps is low if dps meters are not even allowed in this game. Sometimes i m in the pug groups that link dps from their meters and all meters usually show you different numbers, because numbers are not accurate and usually those can not not count dots very well so SMN is hardest dps calculate.

EDIT:And i m not saying summoner is doing good or bad dps and i do not even care in this tread because we are talking about mana issues not actual dps. The thing what ppl are requesting is removing mana bar from summoners. Removing mechanics from summoners is not right way fix the job, that is my opinion.

News flash: there isn't a single high end raiding group in the game that doesn't use meters. The devs know about it and have demonstrated that they don't mind. Also our meters are usually the same numbers give or take 1-5 DPS.

The problem here is we're talking about numbers, and you refuse to use them, so your argument is literally meaningless. You really can't talk about SMN's DPS in relation to other classes if you don't even know what SMN and other classes do.

Also MP isn't the only issue here. Even with infinite MP, we'd still be competing for worst DPS in the game. The reason we do more DPS in shorter fights is not only because we run dry on MP, but because we have double Aetherflow stacks at the beginning of a fight, so our beginning-of-fight burst is reasonably high. The longer a fight goes, the smaller that portion of the fight becomes, and the more our DPS falls.