SMN mp needs sorting out

[Sparktacus]

I am not a complete moron, if that's what you think. What I'm suggesting; is to use some stacks of Aetherflow for Energy Drain instead of Fester, to keep your MP sustained, when you don't need to put out maximum dps.
You also seem to miss the fact that the only dps-job that doesn't need to do resource-management, is the Black Mage. All the other dps-jobs will eventually run out of MP or TP if they keep doing maximum dps.

It has been said before but Energy Drain is a dps loss and is a sacrifice SMN should not have to make as again no other dps class has to sacrifice their dps to sustain their dps.

Give ninja goad for mp then maybe things would become more even (joke btw I don't really want this)

[Mholito]

It has been said before but Energy Drain is a dps loss and is a sacrifice SMN should not have to make as again no other dps class has to sacrifice their dps to sustain their dps.

Give ninja goad for mp then maybe things would become more even (joke btw I don't really want this)

Every dps-job has to sacrifice something to keep their dps sustained over an extended period of time, either they have to limit their own damage output , or they need to have someone else limiting their damage output. The exceptions are Black Mages (whose entire gimick is the fact that they have very short uptime and downtime) and Goad (Which isn't enough to keep everyone sustained).

[Sparktacus]

Every dps-job has to sacrifice something to keep their dps sustained over an extended period of time, either they have to limit their own damage output , or they need to have someone else limiting their damage output. The exceptions are Black Mages (whose entire gimick is the fact that they have very short uptime and downtime) and Goad (Which isn't enough to keep everyone sustained).

Between goad and Paeon yes every tp using dps can be sustained fine the exception being bard which for obvious reasons is not considered.

I have never once had an issue where any of our dps were dragging due to no tp in final coil.

[Mholito]

Between goad and Paeon yes every tp using dps can be sustained fine the exception being bard which for obvious reasons is not considered.

I have never once had an issue where any of our dps were dragging due to no tp in final coil.

Paeon is, as you are obviously aware of, a dps-loss for the bard, which counts as a someone sacrificing their damage output for the sake of sustainability. How big of a dps-loss is using Energy drain over Fester anyway? Especially if you make sure to only use Energy Drain when you know that your MP isn't going to overflow from it and Aetherflow.

[Viridiana]

Paeon is, as you are obviously aware of, a dps-loss for the bard, which counts as a someone sacrificing their damage output for the sake of sustainability.

But it's a raid DPS gain. The same is not true of Ballad for SMN.

[Sleigh]

Paeon is, as you are obviously aware of, a dps-loss for the bard, which counts as a someone sacrificing their damage output for the sake of sustainability. How big of a dps-loss is using Energy drain over Fester anyway? Especially if you make sure to only use Energy Drain when you know that your MP isn't going to overflow from it and Aetherflow.

Paeon for 5 people = huge raid DPS gain, even counting the BRD DPS loss
Ballad for SMN = small raid DPS LOSS, BRD loses more than SMN gains
Energy Drains on SMN = medium DPS loss for SMN, which is bad because their DPS is already low-end

You can't compare TP user resource management to SMN MP management in the current system, TP users have it much better than SMN.

[Sparktacus]

Paeon is, as you are obviously aware of, a dps-loss for the bard, which counts as a someone sacrificing their damage output for the sake of sustainability. How big of a dps-loss is using Energy drain over Fester anyway? Especially if you make sure to only use Energy Drain when you know that your MP isn't going to overflow from it and Aetherflow.

Bard does not count with the other dps as by its nature it is meant to take dps loss, it is written in the description of specific songs. It is a support class, summoner is not (and just having res does not make it so). Bard is supposed to have dps loss every other dps class is not.

I looked through your achievements and see you haven't completed 2nd coil which means you haven't been into final coil yet. As this issue in particular is targeted to final coil summoners I am not sure you truly grasp the depth of this issue.

[Mholito]

I looked through your achievements and see you haven't completed 2nd coil which means you haven't been into final coil yet. As this issue in particular is targeted to final coil summoners I am not sure you truly grasp the depth of this issue.

I am just trying to provide alternative solutions to the problem. Whether or not I have participated in Final Coil is irrelevant.

[Viridiana]

I am just trying to provide alternative solutions to the problem. Whether or not I have participated in Final Coil is irrelevant.

Except your alternate solution is to cut back on DPS. When groups are clearing as the boss enrages, that's simply not an option.

[Sleigh]

I am just trying to provide alternative solutions to the problem. Whether or not I have participated in Final Coil is irrelevant.

If the problem was purely just staying afloat on MP, that's no issue, there are ways to do that: MP pots, cutting back on R2 entirely after opener, selective stopping of Ruin, Energy Drain, etc.

The problem is maintaining competitive DPS compared to the other DPS roles while managing those things, and currently, that's just not happening; the TP users are all taken care of together, and BLM doesn't need help, so those guys can go full blast and do their already higher DPS. Whether or not SMN needs a damage buff or not (I think it does from my experience but that's not important), it simply can't transmit its damage in FCoB as much as everyone else can.