SMN mp needs sorting out

[SpookyGhost]

By optimal, I mean performing as much DPS as you can given the situation (low MP). You can still push out great DPS even losing 150 potency from Fester.

Did you really think you had to correct me on that?

No, I wasn't actually correcting you. I was pointing out that Fester does more damage than Energy Drain, and then went on to explain how having to choose between the two for MP purposes is exclusive to the SMN job and results in lower DPS. Bottoming out by just using Fester will also drop your DPS. Thus SMN has MP issues that hinder their DPS and make them a really bad choice for t10/t11 in comparison to the other options available to fill their slot. Which is a problem, similar to DRGs, and I feel should be fixed. Sorry if I came off as antagonizing, I was just trying to use your point of "Energy Drain = helpful" to explain why SMN is in a bad spot. I wouldn't say SMN is broken, they're just in a really horrible situation in the current endgame raid which is really disappointing for everyone that mains SMN.

[Crevox]

Except they're not in a horrible situation. You do fine in T10 and T11 as well, easily meeting the enrage requirement and more. People just love to exaggerate it.

[Sunako]

Even if you need use 10x energy drains in 10 minutes that only lower ur overall dps around 10 dps. I can also hit dummy 5 - 6 min before I oom without using energy drain if not using miasma 2 and manage mp well. I have 21 piety my apocalypse tho.

[Crevox]

Not too sure who gave everyone the idea to put piety on their Apocalypse either. While it might be good, I still kinda doubt it. Just seems like people trying to be clever.

I can't rule it out entirely, but even 21 piety only adds 34 more MP to Aetherflow, which is not even half of a Ruin. It improves your passive MP regen very slightly as well I believe, but I can't imagine that adding up to being much either. It doesn't affect Energy Drain at all. Compared to like 21 DET (which has a similar budgeting), I think you'd see more damage gain out of the DET, or even crit. The damage gain you can add up from the DET or the crit over the period of a fight should be more than the 1-2 extra casts you get out of your skills, if you even get any. In the majority of fights you won't even have MP issues, and in those that do, proper MP management is still better.

If you really cared about your MP, just use some ethers, because I highly doubt the majority of people bother with int potions in most fights. Those ethers will give you more MP than that piety will.

[Sunako]

Also passive regen is more than aetherflow so it is total 93 more mana per minute. That is 35% worth of energy drain so in theory you win 52 potency every minute from it. If you do not wanna put tier 4 materias your apocalypse i think its the best choice. If you put accuracy for it, you can replace it only with spellspeed if you do not wanna be 20+ overcapped.

[Coatl]

How desperate of a summoner you have to be to remove your Det/Crit relic you forked a fortune for to replace some of the stats with piety?

[Sunako]

How desperate of a summoner you have to be to remove your Det/Crit relic you forked a fortune for to replace some of the stats with piety?

I never removed crit/det. I removed my accuracy cause i had 556 or something like that before and there is no content where u need that high anymore. Never used and never gonna use tier 4 materias since those cost 700k each in our server

[Crevox]

I removed my accuracy cause i had 556 or something

That just means your gearset is poorly optimized. You should optimize your gear to minimize the accuracy you have to fit the turn. If you have more accuracy on your relic, that just means you can sacrifice accuracy elsewhere, which means more det/crit elsewhere. I personally have a gearset for every turn. I don't expect you to do that, but there's still no reason to have 556 accuracy or anywhere close to that outside of Turn 13.

93 more mana per minute.

Even if this figure is perfectly correct, it's still poor.

[Sunako]

So you are basically saying 21 spellspeed is better 21 piety? If you look current gear. Only choice changing accuracy is with spellspeed. Only item that have det/crit at same time is earrings that drop from the turn 12 and even that part does not give me accuracy because i m using 110 pvp earrings at the moment. If you play with SMN urself u should know how poor our gear is and how difficult it is. Lets think about little. if you win 52 potency every min that is 3~ more dps overall and if 21 crit give u like 1.5%(if every 14 crit is 1% crit) more crit chance 400 dps x 0.015 crit chance increase x 0.5 damage = total dps increase with 3 dps. So with that theory it increase almost as much as crit if you do 400 dps with your smn. Not sure if this is correct way calculate this but i see piety more worth than spellspeed myself.

[Krr]

Except they're not in a horrible situation. You do fine in T10 and T11 as well, easily meeting the enrage requirement and more.

"You can still clear the content!" Is not an excuse for top-end groups where every single job composition decision they make needs to maximize the odds of success to maximize their rate of progress.

This was the same argument made for Dragoons when they were broken. "You can still clear the content with one in your group!" didn't make up for the fact that pre-buff, they were ludicrous dead weights that sucked away at your healer's MP and attention like a vampire, and nearly every single HC static was replacing their DRG with either a NIN or a second MNK if they even included them in the first place.