SMN mp needs sorting out

[Crevox]

Was mention of, what was it? 463 DPS? Well if you want to take 3rd party parsers as gospel, BLMs pushout over 500 ^^

The highest recorded BLM DPS on Turn 13 is 515.2, with most good BLMs doing 450-490. The person doing 515.2 has an item level of 126 and a Dreadwyrm weapon, with both a NIN and a BRD in the party to inflate that DPS. I'm item level 119 with a Zodiac weapon, with just a BRD. Not only that, I am still forced to wear some VIT accessories in order to maintain a high enough HP pool because of lack of Manawall/Manaward, and a lack of Dreadwyrm gear (so my item level is even lower than 119). This makes the 515.2 DPS completely understandable.

Also Parsers will NEVER be accurate on dots until every single dot tick is logged, which atm it isn't.

The parser is actually extremely accurate now. Yes, it's nowhere near perfect, there's a lot of estimates, but it actually would be showing your DPS lower, not overshooting.

If people don't even know how much DPS they're actually doing, how can they even make an informed decision on whether or not SMN needs a buff?

[Mature]

Giving the soul stone a 1k extra push on Mp would be the best solution for now I think before going into 3.0

[Akiza]

Summoner is balanced against every dps job but not against intense end game raiding. Summoner never worked great with other jobs because of its design. DoT classes have no place as a dps in a party because traditionally they specialized in crowd control until WoW tried to make them into a dps and failed. DoT works for Scholar because it's a healer even when stressed while when the Summoner is pushed to it's limits it fails apart.

[Hiruke]

Would be nice if SMN aetherflow gave 6 stacks instead of 3. Fester for days, and less sad when have to use a stack for Energy Drain. Just that one change would dramatically improve SMN.

[Coatl]

Out of curiosity, how much are people's Fester's hitting for?

[DeadRiser]

Out of curiosity, how much are people's Fester's hitting for?

I'm only i106 with an i115 weapon and without buffs in a party I get them for about 940ish and crit for 1400

[Ryans]

There is one person in this thread that has actually seen the bigger picture. Not enough magic DDs.

Bards play paeon for melee because they run out of tp in end game fights. We all know that. Bards don't play ballad because there aren't enough caster DDs to warrant ballad. The problem isn't that Summoner runs out MP. It is that there aren't enough caster jobs that function like the rest of DDs in the game. Black mage is stupidly simple and it makes a horrible tool to compare to. They nerfed Ninja's TP management because it could basically go forever and yet there is a job designed around not having to manage it's resources.

If melee didn't rely on bards to play paeon, they would have to manage their TP and sacrifice dps just like Summoner currently does. So stop trying to get Summoner to have an infinite pool. We don't need more Blm-esque jobs. Ask for more casters jobs so that ballad will actually get sung.

[Viridiana]

There is one person in this thread that has actually seen the bigger picture. Not enough magic DDs.

Adding a new magic DPS will only matter if it changes the meta. When your options are 1) Foe for the BLM or 2) Paeon/Ballad for someone else, you need a really good reason to pick #2. Right now, that reason is because MNK and NIN top dps charts while providing good utility, with DRG not far behind on the DPS front. The reason SMN isn't picked over BLM is because SMN would require a separate choosing of #2, but doesn't benefit from it enough to be worth it, especially when that MP could be going to Foe for much better raid DPS. Maybe if your group were SMN-heavy it would make sense to Ballad, but with most groups taking 2 melee and a BRD. . .well, BLM is the obvious choice.

Basically, adding in new magic DPS won't change anything unless they either have enough utility to be game changing or enough DPS to make up for the 20% the BRD loses and the 10% a BLM would get from Foe. Like it or not, BLM is the measuring stick now.

[Shikiseki]

There is one person in this thread that has actually seen the bigger picture. Not enough magic DDs.

Bards play paeon for melee because they run out of tp in end game fights. We all know that. Bards don't play ballad because there aren't enough caster DDs to warrant ballad. The problem isn't that Summoner runs out MP. It is that there aren't enough caster jobs that function like the rest of DDs in the game. Black mage is stupidly simple and it makes a horrible tool to compare to. They nerfed Ninja's TP management because it could basically go forever and yet there is a job designed around not having to manage it's resources.

If melee didn't rely on bards to play paeon, they would have to manage their TP and sacrifice dps just like Summoner currently does. So stop trying to get Summoner to have an infinite pool. We don't need more Blm-esque jobs. Ask for more casters jobs so that ballad will actually get sung.

ya and let 3 mages share 1 magical DPS slot. Even if the new mage will have limited resources, you think a bard would play for that one new mage only? Yeah no...

But back to the MP problem - was doing Shiva ex yesterday and damn... switching to BLM elimitated so many issues I had with SMN, it's crazy.
Sustain, re-summoning, multi-dotting (yeah, I'm looking at that stupid single golem >_> because of PS3... I mean Bane limitations), using Ifrit (no contagion), Shadow Flare, occasional reviving to "try" to save the raid. I mean that's why I used to like SMN because of the variety of thinks he could do but lately, it gets overshadowed by others, who specialize into their role.

The Sustain "buff" was a huge nerf for us back then, the reason why they changed it from HP to MP is way beyond me.
Bringing back Thunder would mean even more mp problems.

[Mature]

Having 6 stacks PF aetherf is a bit too much I think but adding 1k more of mp to the soul stone will be ideal