Thoughts on the Loot System

[Zedd702]

No, this is so wrong! There could be 10 Tank Jobs and 1 Dps Job and 90% of the playerbase would play that 1 Dps Job. Most of the People just want to smash the Mobs in the face and not getting smashed by it! This nowhere near SE´s fault

No it's not wrong! I like tanking and healing, but refuse to be stuck playing a level 50 healer or tank all the way til the next one is released. I know PLENTY of others on my server with the same exact concern.

Are there people that prefer to play BLM/NIN/Whatever else only no matter what? Sure. But I can bet you if there were a good balance of tank/healers to DPS then the queues would be alot smoother/better.

It is SE's fault for that.

[Noahlimits]

some people play to beat the boss faster/in some weird way. others to do it as a different role. others to help other people beat it their first time. yet more people like to play just to play with no carrot at the end except spending time with their friends.

If not for a reward (in the instance of coil, gear or title), I would simply beat it once for the difficulty factor and unsub until the next content patch. The minority of the playerbase do the latest raid. A fraction of that minority are the people you describe in the quoted text.

[technole]

They don't do this because people would gear out too quickly in raiding. If not for RNG people would completely gear out within a month and a half.

Exactly. I don't get why people think RNGesus is ever going to go away, there is no real benefit for them to speed up gear progression unless a new raid is on the horizon. There is already a token initiative with upgradable poetics.

[Zedd702]

If not for a reward (in the instance of coil, gear or title), I would simply beat it once for the difficulty factor and unsub until the next content patch. The minority of the playerbase do the latest raid. A fraction of that minority are the people you describe in the quoted text.

And what of the bigger fraction that don't do coils, but rather the other dungeons & trials?

Exactly. I don't get why people think RNGesus is ever going to go away, there is no real benefit for them to speed up gear progression unless a new raid is on the horizon. There is already a token initiative with upgradable poetics.

I'm honestly lost with this answer. I don't get the impression that anyone in this thread has a thought that RNG will be done away with. I get the impression of a discussion and suggestion thread to make the current system better...

[Noahlimits]

And what of the bigger fraction that don't do coils, but rather the other dungeons & trials?

It's the same thing. The reward at the end of the dungeon is poetics. If you're doing it for regular drops, the latest dungeons already have tokens. If you didn't get a reward for beating dungeons, the majority of people would do them once/twice and never again. At least, every person I know. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying people would run dungeons repeatedly for zero rewards? I really find that hard to believe. The whole point my quoted post was making is that people wouldn't continuously do content if they didn't get anything out of it. They'd do it once or twice for novelty, and that'd be it.

I know I'd personally just unsub till new content came out after beating it once or twice. They aren't challenging and grow exceeding boring after the second or third time completing. That's why people speed run, it just becomes tedious to do brainless dungeons. But given the option between a "harder" dungeon over an easier one for the same rewards, people will do the boring easy once since it'll be faster.

I'm already pretty bored even with the new end game raids since once you beat them once, they're basically on farm if your group is competent. People on my server even pug t13 frequently at this point. :\

[Zedd702]

It's the same thing. The reward at the end of the dungeon is poetics. If you're doing it for regular drops, the latest dungeons already have tokens. If you didn't get a reward for beating dungeons, the majority of people would do them once/twice and never again. At least, every person I know. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying people would run dungeons repeatedly for zero rewards? I really find that hard to believe. The whole point my quoted post was making is that people wouldn't continuously do content if they didn't get anything out of it. They'd do it once or twice for novelty, and that'd be it.

Nope, not what I was saying. Was just asking for clarification basically and you given that to me in this post. So I thank you for that.