I fear for Summoner

[Akiza]

What your talking about is effect of not being able to use Fester when you wish, in order to maintain a high dps output. Fester is a relatively finite nuke due to Aetherflows inconsistant availability to the user after 1.30m (if you pre-stocked Aetherflow before the fight). Compared to BLM's each Fire 3 proc/ Thunder 3 thundercloud proc hits for the equivalent of a Fester,so it's no suprise that they can claw their dps back up with procs. Now, compare the SMN nuke resource system to the top dps this tier -- MNK/NIN. MNKs need only keep up their GL (greased Lightning stacks) and they're fine, which is possible on all of the current turns, and so they can maintain their high output for any given FCoB encounter. NINs, like SMNs, have the 'problem' too of having to wait for a nuke with their resource system (ninjutsu), however, they, like the MNK, have a 'cheat' ability to allow them to use their nuke if perfect balance/ kassatsu is up, allowing them to continue thier dps climb, only hindered by fight mechancics and non-crits on their rotation.

SMNs have 2 abilities that centre around their nuke resource system; 1 is good (i.e Fester), but is needed more than it is readily available, in order to maintain competitive dps, and the other (Energy Drain) is not an alternate nuke and gives too little mp with 1 use to be worthwhile. That's the problem.

Energy Drain is not a nuke it does little dps compared to Fester and gives too little mp. The only nukes that Summoner has are Fester and Enkindle which is on a 300s and hits as hard as Fester. A simple slolution to make the Summoner competitive is to reduce the cd on Enkindke to 120s.

[Orrias]

Energy Drain is not a nuke it does little dps compared to Fester and gives too little mp. The only nukes that Summoner has are Fester and Enkindle which is on a 300s and hits as hard as Fester. A simple slolution to make the Summoner competitive is to reduce the cd on Enkindke to 120s.

I said Energy Drain is not an "alternative" for a nuke. At some point you're going to need mana as the fight drawns on. You can either use Energy Drain or MP pots (which are on a 5 min CD), else you'll be out of mana, if you're trying to get in as much into your GCD's as possible/ have had to rez someone. I'm saying that Energy Drain needs to needs a higher potency for it to be used w/o such a dps loss.

Lowering the CD on Enkindle isn't such a bad idea tbh, however, it does not change the fact that Aetherflow needs re-working.

[Alberel]

Energy Drain is not a nuke it does little dps compared to Fester and gives too little mp. The only nukes that Summoner has are Fester and Enkindle which is on a 300s and hits as hard as Fester. A simple slolution to make the Summoner competitive is to reduce the cd on Enkindke to 120s.

Enkindle needs to have its cooldown reduced even beyond 120s imo. It makes absolutely no sense for an inferior version of flare to be on such an insane cooldown. Even 60s would not be overpowered for Enkindle...

[Nux]

Enkindle needs to have its cooldown reduced even beyond 120s imo. It makes absolutely no sense for an inferior version of flare to be on such an insane cooldown. Even 60s would not be overpowered for Enkindle...

Enkindle is kind of powerfull thing because it have virtually 0 trade off; no requirement (aside for summon to be present) nor a downside (Flare's mana sink), almost instant and off GCD on top of it altough its cooldown is extremely ridiculous which make devs decide that skill is somewhat worthy to have CD comparable to Hallowed Ground. Reducing beyond 120s is somewhat too powerfull because it basically "free skill" to throw at cost of nothing.

[Lilyarel]

Enkindle is kind of powerfull thing because it have virtually 0 trade off; no requirement (aside for summon to be present) nor a downside (Flare's mana sink), almost instant and off GCD on top of it altough its cooldown is extremely ridiculous which make devs decide that skill is somewhat worthy to have CD comparable to Hallowed Ground. Reducing beyond 120s is somewhat too powerfull because it basically "free skill" to throw at cost of nothing.

Make it require 3 Aetherflow stacks to cast.

[Havenchild]

Make it require 3 Aetherflow stacks to cast.

lol no one would use the skill then. 3 Festers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Enkindle

[Lilyarel]

lol no one would use the skill then. 3 Festers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Enkindle

Good. It will get along well with Ifrit and cry about never being used.

[Ronove]

Good. It will get along well with Ifrit and cry about never being used.

I don't think SMN needs another skill we don't use.

[RyuDragnier]

Good. It will get along well with Ifrit and cry about never being used.

Except people USE Ifrit.

[Dyvid]

Enkindle is kind of powerfull thing because it have virtually 0 trade off; no requirement (aside for summon to be present) nor a downside (Flare's mana sink), almost instant and off GCD on top of it altough its cooldown is extremely ridiculous which make devs decide that skill is somewhat worthy to have CD comparable to Hallowed Ground. Reducing beyond 120s is somewhat too powerfull because it basically "free skill" to throw at cost of nothing.

I'm sorry but Aerial Blast (the strongest of the enkindles) is 250 potency. That is the same as DRG's Dragonfire Dive (250), NIN's Trick Attack (240), and of course BLM's Flare (260). DRG's is 120s with zero tp use, NIN's is 60s cooldown with potency of 400 from behind, and BLM's eats all mp which they can restore in seconds with umbral ice 3 up. Yet we have the 5 minute timer. I would also add when I did a dungeon the other days, I enkindle on the first boss and it wasn't even ready by the time we got to the second boss. So yea, the timer is ridiculous.

Make it require 3 Aetherflow stacks to cast.

Also another fun fact, I find a fully spur + rouse + enkindle does about the same damage as my critical Fester. So yea, I would never use enkindle because my 3 Festers would do more.