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    [Theory] ACN removed, SMN remade

    Classes are being done away with in Heavensward, I believe. None of the new Jobs have base Classes, neither would it make sense to keep them for past Jobs anymore.

    This presents a circumstance where SCH/SMN would need splitting up. It doesn't look like we're receiving a new offensive DoM Job either (unless they surprise us with RDM but that seems doubtful at this point).

    Perhaps we're finally getting the SMN we always wanted?!

    And SCH can have Glamour-able Carbuncles!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPapaSmurf View Post
    Classes are being done away with in Heavensward, I believe. None of the new Jobs have base Classes, neither would it make sense to keep them for past Jobs anymore.
    Nope, lore wise you can't get rid of the classes, keep dreaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Nope, lore wise you can't get rid of the classes, keep dreaming.
    Lore wise there should only be one Maggie.

    Lore wise there's only one other Azure Dragoon aside you currently.

    Lore wise there's only one x (job) currently.

    As much as SE wants to lord lore reasons, gameplay breaks the lore significantly when you actually think about it. They are removing classes in an indirect way, by making them not required for new jobs which can become a trend. Technically when you think about the lore, the jobs shouldn't exist along side classes, meaning being a 30 Lancer shouldn't mean I can become a Dragoon. Also: Musketeer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Lore wise there should only be one Maggie.

    Lore wise there's only one other Azure Dragoon aside you currently.

    Lore wise there's only one x (job) currently.

    As much as SE wants to lord lore reasons, gameplay breaks the lore significantly when you actually think about it. They are removing classes in an indirect way, by making them not required for new jobs which can become a trend. Technically when you think about the lore, the jobs shouldn't exist along side classes, meaning being a 30 Lancer shouldn't mean I can become a Dragoon. Also: Musketeer.
    Maggie is the Prototype. After you complete the events of the Main Story, Magitek Armors are recovered and converted for other Adventurers.

    There are many Dragoons, those being other Adventurers, while your own Character is the Azure Dragoon.
    Although if you paid attention to the Job Quest Dialogue you would read that there are technically 2 Azure Dragoons, yourself and the Dragoon you run into during the questlines.

    Lol, After the Player rediscovers the lost Magicks of the Scholar through the Job Quests, the Lala you work with to uncover those Magicks heads to the Arcanists Guild and provides the ancient Magicks to them to teach to skilled Arcanist Adventurers.

    Also, i'm quite glad they went with the Machinist for a Gun Job. I was legitimately worried that the Gun Job would just be a Bard with a Gun instead of a Bow. A Machinist has much more scope for variety.

    Our current Jobs are 'Rediscovered" Jobs. They existed in the distant past but were lost, or made rare in general.
    New Jobs, such as the Dark Knight, Astrologian and Machinist, are NEW Jobs. They don't have Job Crystals whispering forgotten knowledge to the holder. Therefore, they don't need an existing class to make the Job work.

    I imagine the Class/Job system itself will still exist. For example, a Dark Knight will have its 1 - 50 Actions listed under "Class" with some of these usable by other Tank Jobs, while the Skills granted by Questlines will be listed under "Job" and be unusable by any other Job.


    TL;DR, the Lore supports the existence of multiple Dragoons, Monks, Scholars, Summoners, Warriors, Paladins etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    TL;DR, the Lore supports the existence of multiple Dragoons, Monks, Scholars, Summoners, Warriors, Paladins etc.
    This was already explained in the Lore Panel during Fanfest. There are other ways to get access to the long forgotten jobs, but lorewise, only your character has gone through all the tasks and had a soul crystal speaking knowledge to you. In 2.3 main scenario, you even fight a PLD and a WHM, they obtained their knowledge in these other ways, just like every other player character you see and play with did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    This was already explained in the Lore Panel during Fanfest. There are other ways to get access to the long forgotten jobs, but lorewise, only your character has gone through all the tasks and had a soul crystal speaking knowledge to you. In 2.3 main scenario, you even fight a PLD and a WHM, they obtained their knowledge in these other ways, just like every other player character you see and play with did.
    Uhh.. Yes, thank you for agreeing with my post? My post was speaking to someone who claimed "The lore only supports 1 of any given job".
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Nope, lore wise you can't get rid of the classes, keep dreaming.
    The implications are there, though. Something is going to happen to classes, and I wish the devs would actually talk about it instead of brush it off every time it's asked. When developers do that it's usually a sign the information withheld has the potential to be either really awesome or piss off a lot of people.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    I don't think they intend to remove base classes right away--with them so ingrained into the story and quests right now, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go back and screw with all of that at the moment. For now, I think just the new jobs will have no class.

    It does seem like that is their long term goal, though. Eventually, perhaps, Summoners will be remade.
    ...or is the Scholars that will be remade instead? >_>

    DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNN.
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    The old classes won't be removed, no one wants to see the glitchy mess that would cause. Not everyone has a job unlocked and migrating all classes to jobs is not as straightforward as it sounds with all the quests, lore and base code involved. I can guess the reason ROG even exists is because 2.0 doesn't have the base code to have jobs possible without a class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Nope, lore wise you can't get rid of the classes, keep dreaming.
    Yes you can. Just because they won't be playable doesn't mean they wouldn't exist in Eorzea.

    E.g. Musketeer. Boom.
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