So BLM as AOE covered, MNK has single target... What does SMN bring?

[Ronove]

I think increasing the cooldown would nerf the DPS (even if we'd save some MP but wouldn't people just wait for the last fester before Aetherflowing even if Aetherflow is ready?). We'd only get ONE fester during Raging Strikes (and even though we'd have more Enkindle to use, Raging Strikes doesn't affect Enkindle). When compared to a BLM they would have all their Fires in a raging strikes, whatever procs they get, and a flare. SMN would just have dots, and one fester and maybe an energy drain if we use second aetherflow on energy drain. So our opening burst would be lower and we would hit the DPS plateau faster. At least that's how I'm understanding it.

[Dyvid]

I think increasing the cooldown would nerf the DPS (even if we'd save some MP but wouldn't people just wait for the last fester before Aetherflowing even if Aetherflow is ready?). We'd only get ONE fester during Raging Strikes (and even though we'd have more Enkindle to use, Raging Strikes doesn't affect Enkindle). When compared to a BLM they would have all their Fires in a raging strikes, whatever procs they get, and a flare. SMN would just have dots, and one fester and maybe an energy drain if we use second aetherflow on energy drain. So our opening burst would be lower and we would hit the DPS plateau faster. At least that's how I'm understanding it.

Well it's all a balancing act really. The goal would be to add energy drain into the rotation without effecting dps. while raging strike doesn't effect pet, spur and rouse does. Honestly it's hard to say how it would effect unless we could actually play with it.

[HaroldSaxon]

I think increasing the cooldown would nerf the DPS (even if we'd save some MP but wouldn't people just wait for the last fester before Aetherflowing even if Aetherflow is ready?). We'd only get ONE fester during Raging Strikes (and even though we'd have more Enkindle to use, Raging Strikes doesn't affect Enkindle). When compared to a BLM they would have all their Fires in a raging strikes, whatever procs they get, and a flare. SMN would just have dots, and one fester and maybe an energy drain if we use second aetherflow on energy drain. So our opening burst would be lower and we would hit the DPS plateau faster. At least that's how I'm understanding it.

Yeah, because DoT's don't do any dps.

[Ronove]

Yeah, because DoT's don't do any dps.

Yeah, because they were talking about Fester, Energy Drain, and Enkindle. Their proposed change didn't include changing dots at all.

[Havenchild]

if Enkindle was gonna get any time nerf it would probably be kicked down to 2m to align with Spur.

If you essentially force someone to use Energy Drain, yeah it might keep us afloat longer but the DPS will undoubtedly be lower. Enkindle is not a very strong attack at all. It needs to have both Rouse and Spur to do just alil over a single Fester in damage.

[Xolotl]

A simple fix would be to leave fester out of aetherflow stack system, give it maybe a longer cd to balance it ( maybe 15 to 20 ) and then we would have free stacks for ED and Bane, increasing dps and mana sustain without touching SCH.


that being said a few fixes to our pets which are 20 -30% of our damage should be done like : pet accuracy alignment with caster, and pets actually being affected at least by our deter/ crit stats ( thus food) and maybe spell speed ? Would be cool since we have a bunch of it thanks to that great gear choice we have... but i guess it's too much asked lol.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Question about DoTs: is the damage they deal based on your INT or is it a fixed rate based on the enemies HP? If the latter, then I think the question should be "What does SMN bring that SCH doesn't?"

[Judge_Xero]

Question about DoTs: is the damage they deal based on your INT or is it a fixed rate based on the enemies HP? If the latter, then I think the question should be "What does SMN bring that SCH doesn't?"

DoTs are potency based and are effected by the casters damage stats (DET, CRIT, MD, INT etc)

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All that's needed to make the Summoner on par with other jobs is to reduce the cool down on Enkindle to 60s so we can climb out of our plateau.

Part of the trouble of balancing SMN damage by just tossing extra potency at it is that SMN damage is awesome at lower iLvl's compared to other classes.

If they are going to do anything, it would be nice to have more of a permanent fix that just requires small adjustments to the damage equations each major patch like the other classes.

Putting Enkindle on a 60s CD may increase pet damage by 18-25 DPS @ i110-i130, but it will cause SMN to wreck every other class @ <i90

[Lavieh]

Putting Enkindle on a 60s CD may increase pet damage by 18-25 DPS @ i110-i130, but it will cause SMN to wreck every other class @ <i90

Why should we balance to older content?

[Akiza]

Actually a 60s Enkindle would balance the Summoner out with current content. Besides a 60 s cool down for Enkindle is long overdue.