Healer should not dps in the dungeons?

[Arielyanna]

Speaking as a Healer from FFXI and FFXIV, I cast healing spells, buffs etc 99.9% of the time, because that's my damn job. White Mage is a healer first and foremost. In other FF titles, a WHM was there to keep the party alive through the battle. Now, while XI (Where if you as a WHM decided to DPS, you'd be kicked from the party/alliance faster than Pandemonium Warden swatting you to the ground) and XIV are MMO's, that doesn't mean that they should be out spamming DPS spells non stop. All that does is generate massive hate, which the Tank may or may not be able to pull the mob off of you (regardless of how 'good' the tank is).

Now, having said that... against trash mobs in a dungeon, casting the odd DPS spell on SUFFICIENTLY WEAKENED ENEMIES NEAR DEATH to finish them off and allow the others to move on to other targets, Hey... I've got no problem with that. DPS against a boss, that's just asking for trouble... Why? Because you end up using valuable MP which should be used to keep your party alive. But for those who think WHM is a DPS (which by the majority of the posts in this thread DO think that)... sorry, take off the rose tinted pince-nez and wake up. You are a HEALER. You're first and primary role is to HEAL AND KEEP THE PARTY ALIVE. Everything else is secondary.

Flame me if you want... but I will continue to play the same way that served me well in XI and other MMO's here as a Healer.

[Ghishlain]

But for those who think WHM is a DPS (which by the majority of the posts in this thread DO think that)... sorry, take off the rose tinted pince-nez and wake up. You are a HEALER. You're first and primary role is to HEAL AND KEEP THE PARTY ALIVE. Everything else is secondary.

The posters don't think they're DPS. They're using their toolkit to supplement the DPS of their group during times of light on coming damage. There's a distinct difference between thinking "RWAR, I'M A DAMN DPS!" and "So, I have an opening to DPS at these junctures of the fight because my fairy/Regen can handle the damage for now"

That's what people are advocating (mostly, there are some idiots who do think "RWAR, I'M A DPS" healer, but everyone else knows they're silly people)

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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It's all good, your perspective is awesome. However, no one here said that healers are DPS, they say that you can DPS and heal at the same time. It's like you're selective reading other people's comment just to unleash your fury about this subject, which seems to be sensitve for both Enkidoh and you? Oh, uh... did you play other FF titles besides XI and XIV? Because... Holy is included in the spell-list of a WHM for a reason. And remember, this is not XI. A healer that DPS, is always welcome, as long as he knows how to manage that. If you can be that "exceptional" and manage two roles at the same time, commendation, a big hug and I'll encourage you to keep doing it. If you don't, okay, you're just the healer. You did your job right. Well done. You only made my run a bit slower.

[Ashkendor]

All that does is generate massive hate, which the Tank may or may not be able to pull the mob off of you (regardless of how 'good' the tank is).

I have a harder time pulling mobs off of an over-healing WHM than a dps'ing one, honestly.

Your heals generate WAY more hate than your attack spells ever could.

But for those who think WHM is a DPS (which by the majority of the posts in this thread DO think that)... sorry, take off the rose tinted pince-nez and wake up. You are a HEALER. You're first and primary role is to HEAL AND KEEP THE PARTY ALIVE. Everything else is secondary.

Flame me if you want... but I will continue to play the same way that served me well in XI and other MMO's here as a Healer.

Pretty sure we know WHM (and SCH for that matter) are healers. Nobody here that I've seen actually goes as far as to think that they're DPS. If you don't want to cast attack spells, that's up to you. As a SCH, I enjoy balancing DPS skills with healing skills as I'm permitted to do by the situation. If anything, it's easier to dps a boss than it is a huge trash pull because there's less constant demand for my healing skills with only one thing hitting the tank as opposed to 15+ things hitting them. As a tank, let me just say that I love it when a healer can both keep me alive and throw some hurt on a huge pull. It's amazing. It helps everything go so much faster. WHM/SCH that just stand there and heal in four man content are pretty forgettable overall and don't usually earn commendations from me unless they're newer players. Raids are an entirely different animal, of course. :3

[Sapphic]

If anything, it's easier to dps a boss than it is a huge trash pull

When im healing on my alt SCH, I get bored standing around doing nothing :P. <3 pairing with a WAR as SCH due to that bonus 20% on adlo shield (40% for crit adlos ^^). Crit Adlo+eye for an eye on big pulls, hit rouse for pet healing and get to dotting! XD

Even when Im on tank, for most bosses in dungeons ill switch to DPS accs and sword oath for the bosses. Turn 9 geared + 120/130 ilvl dps accs, makes the boss drop a lot faster.

Flame me if you want... but I will continue to play the same way that served me well in XI and other MMO's here as a Healer.

FFXI has a TOTALLY different combat style, so playing WHM the same as FFXI is not playing WHM in FFXIV well. Most every MMO has differences in healing, you need to change to adapt to each MMO to be able to properly utilize the role. Same with tanking, same with DPS.

Albeit there are some tips which work cross MMO. Better to approach it as being totally new and forget the previous MMO ^^

Just like using STR accs for NIN :P

[Ashkendor]

When im healing on my alt SCH, I get bored standing around doing nothing :P. <3 pairing with a WAR as SCH due to that bonus 20% on adlo shield (40% for crit adlos ^^). Crit Adlo+eye for an eye on big pulls, hit rouse for pet healing and get to dotting! XD

Even when Im on tank, for most bosses in dungeons ill switch to DPS accs and sword oath for the bosses. Turn 9 geared + 120/130 ilvl dps accs, makes the boss drop a lot faster.

Oh definitely, if I have time to DoT I do. The tank I usually run with in a premade just has a propensity toward making me work really damn hard to keep him standing. It's all in good fun, though. :3

I use DPS acc/sword oath on PLD on bosses as well. It's amazing how much it actually affects the damage output.

[Parodine]

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You're certainly entitled to play that way and don't deserve to be flamed. Conversely, don't flame healers who are capable of healing everyone comfortably AND delivering strong DPS as well.

(Not saying you are, just tit for tat as it were)

[Meshico]

Speaking as a Healer from FFXI and FFXIV, I cast healing spells, buffs etc 99.9% of the time.

How do I put this nicely...

Well you're not wrong.

Healers do need to heal.

But they can also do some slight DPS.

If you can efficiently do both...yay! If not, nobody will hopefully boot you for it.

-Tari

[NorthernLadMSP]

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You're entitled to your opinion. However, if you are the type that stands around doing absolutely nothing but twiddling your thumbs when no healing needs to be done, I call you lazy (and no I'm not talking about SCOB or FCOB, those are different). You'll also never earn any commendations from me (metaphorically speaking as we're on different data centers).

[Altena]

Speaking as a Healer from FFXI and FFXIV,

Hi.

This post made me cry a little inside.

Does WHM not get DPS skills? (Stone, Aero, Holy, Cleric Stance).
Not using these when the opportunity arises just means that you are not utilizing your toolkit.
If you're saying that healers got DPS capability to "finish a mob off" then you are kidding yourself.

If a healer (even one that pushes out high DPS) is pulling hate off the tank before the actual DPS classes are - then there is a bigger problem at hand, and in fact a healer who helps kill the mobs faster would actually be doing some good for the party, when a tank can't hold hate properly. It is in the healer's best interest to kill the stuff quick - as it is saving a lot of healing.

In addition to this, WHM's using Holy is not just DPS but it is also huge mitigation. 3x Stuns for a couple of seconds each is a huge amount of time for the trash mobs to not be hitting the tank.

Now the reason you would have been "kicked from an alliance" for a PW kill in FFXI was because casting spells on a mob gave the mob TP. Therefore the attacks you casted on the boss would want to be worth the TP feed.
This game does not have that mechanic.

I play a DPS, but as a DPS I also have supportive raid-wide skills (some glaring examples are things like Mantra, Goad, BRD songs etc). My job is a DPS, so you're saying that I shouldn't be using these skills because it isn't pushing my DPS?

Furthermore, if I am a Tank, would you expect me to NOT push as much damage as I could - or if a Paladin, NOT cast Stoneskin occasionally to help people out?

This concerns me, especially for the sake of your future raid buddies (since I am one to assume that you aren't actually doing raid content with this mentality).