Idea against Undercutting at the Marketboard (The next.. )

[RayneBoemir]

I don't undercut, and I dislike undercutter; however, I am against any changes to this system. I like the freedom.

[Nicobo]

...Personally, I think undercutting by 1 gil is respectful to your competitor and whatever integrity this simplistic market has. Just as Sibyll says, it serves to slowly degenerate the value of the given product...

...1gil under-cutting is an insult to the original seller, who might've taken their time to price the item properly and competitively, and then some jerk comes along to post their item without reasonable thought or competitive pricing for a quick sell...

Just thinking which tho is more common.
For myself, I think smaller undercut may generate lesser enmity. ^^;

[Wadoka]

For myself, I think smaller undercut may generate lesser enmity. ^^;

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Only the weak and unfit desire market controls, wanting "protection" from the more-able predators in the ecosystem.

Are you able... or are you weak?

[dspguy]

Add a listing fee. Make it 1%. Remove retainer fee. A 1M gil item would then cost 10k to list and another 10k to relist. That would make people think twice about undercutting.

Alternative or supplementary fix? Add a place to advertise what you are selling. Similar to how some people are using PF for it (ugh) but make it separate from PF. And I'm sure people would prefer NOT to see it spammed in shout. I'm guilty of using PF to sell or buy stuff. I like the concept of using it, but just wish it wasn't in the same PF that people use to make groups to actually do stuff.

[Sibyll]

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I think a list fee might stop people from undercutting by 1 gil. It might force people to start considering what an item is actually worth and the minimum profit they are willing to make.

To expand on your "PF" idea, I'd like them to make it so "Wish Listed" items can have offers associated. It's aggravating to make a wish listed item only to see it sit for weeks and weeks because what you think the value of the item is doesn't coincide with what the buyer wanted to pay.

It'd be nice if buyers could post offers for items so that crafters and sellers can cater to demands without having to guess.

[Eye_Gore]

It'd be nice if buyers could post offers for items so that crafters and sellers can cater to demands without having to guess.

It is kinda funny that when you list an item, the price is listed as "asking price". Which in the business world means its not set and a buyer can counter offer, which cannot be done here.

As for a re-listing fee, no thanks. Too many times do I put an item up for sale only to see that there are none listed. When I look at the sale history, I take a quick average of what past selling prices were and list it. Then come back later only to see that there are now 10 or more listed each one undercutting the next. Mine now being the most expensive, only to have really no choice ( if I want it to sell) to drop my price.

[Zedd702]

It is kinda funny that when you list an item, the price is listed as "asking price". Which in the business world means its not set and a buyer can counter offer, which cannot be done here.

As for a re-listing fee, no thanks. Too many times do I put an item up for sale only to see that there are none listed. When I look at the sale history, I take a quick average of what past selling prices were and list it. Then come back later only to see that there are now 10 or more listed each one undercutting the next. Mine now being the most expensive, only to have really no choice ( if I want it to sell) to drop my price.

Even with none listed, there's usually a sale history on the item...

I agree and like the sound of having a listing fee for that as well.

[Sibyll]

It is kinda funny that when you list an item, the price is listed as "asking price". Which in the business world means its not set and a buyer can counter offer, which cannot be done here.

As for a re-listing fee, no thanks. Too many times do I put an item up for sale only to see that there are none listed. When I look at the sale history, I take a quick average of what past selling prices were and list it. Then come back later only to see that there are now 10 or more listed each one undercutting the next. Mine now being the most expensive, only to have really no choice ( if I want it to sell) to drop my price.

I wouldn't mind having some bartering functionality via the market board. Honestly, it'd be nice if you could filter based on desired items, or what has been purchased the most lately.

[Xystic]

Add a listing fee. Make it 1%. Remove retainer fee. A 1M gil item would then cost 10k to list and another 10k to relist. That would make people think twice about undercutting.

The issue is the initial undercut. Your competitor automatically will list his/her price below yours locking your items up on the market board. People have this misconception that undercutting occurs after the initial listing but your competitor will undercut you on his/her first listing.

Not to mention, he/she can automatically list it at the minimum profit margin knocking you completely out of the market because if you relist, you relist at a profit loss.

Listing fees have been discussed heavily and we know that even with a listing fee, it does nothing to deter the initial undercut.

Listing fees is a no no.

[Sibyll]

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Listing fees would discourage people posting things for absurd prices. You will be less inclined to post something at 10 times the value of the item if it means you are going to spend 10 times the gil posting it.

Also, listing fees won't prevent the initial undercut. I can't think of anything that will prevent that. What it will prevent is subsequent undercuts from being for, let's say, 1 gil because people would lose profit relisting an item 100 times for effectively the same price. Instead, it'll make people think more about how much they can afford to relist for while still making a profit.

Also, it depends on the item. If you get undercut on something like Savage IVs no one is going to care because they sell so fast. If you are selling something that moves slower, like 4* armor, then you are going to be more inclined to relist at a price you think it will sell at.

Lastly, I've noticed people use the MB as storage. A listing fee would also deter this.