Dungeon Weapons, city weapons, HQ weapons OH MY!!!!

**Supafly** · 08-13-2011 09:10 PM

People have been going back and forth over this Verdant Bow vs. Crab Bow +3 vs. Ul'dahn Longbow. The same has been done for GLA's Templar's Falchion vs. Aeolian Scimitar +3 vs. Ul'dahn Scimitar (actually the Weathered Gladius is best here *joke

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Now no doubt the 5th chest weapons (or Batraal chest weapons in general) have raised a lot of envy and want in many, but is it more a prestige item or is truly the best? What is the reality here?

Who can actually VERIFY what is the better weapon for each job?

Although a lot of fights have been considered to depend upon a situation or conditional, a friend of mine made an assumption that most of the new weapons were pretty much on par with a lot of the "+2" weapons we had before the Grand company/dungeon patch and I almost agree with that statement. So pour the thoughts in over what is what here.

What is truly (HQ included) the best weapon for:
GLA
* Best Shield? -
PUG
MRD
LNC
ARC
CON (should they staff or wand/shield)
THM (*see CON)

Looking forward to some input and thoughts as well as maybe some actual test data to really settle the score here...

**Nilheim** · 08-13-2011 09:51 PM

To be honest the differences are so small it doesn't even matter, it's all about the prestige or the looks at the moment. Not to mention most stats are still kind of broken. Would I like a Templar's Falchion? Sure, but will it make me do my job as a tank better? Probably not.

**Visch** · 08-13-2011 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Supafly

What is truly (HQ included) the best weapon for:

GLA - (tanking) Ul'dahn Scimitar (Don't see STR+2 doing anything and DEF+5 when the mob already attacks for 0... most of the time? HP Plz.) / (DD) Aeolian +3 (lol)
* Best Shield? - Vintage Kite Shield +3 (Batraal one is garbage compared to a +1 and Scutums are just silly because of the wield rate).

PUG - (tanking) Verdant Hora / (DD) Peiste Cesti +3 (If you need the Acc), Jade Horas +3 (If you don't).

MRD - (tanking) Canopus Bill / (DD) Barbarian's Bardiche +3 (Have fun getting that so Engraved +3 is good enough)

LNC - Champion's Lance +3 (Again, good luck on that, Banneret +3 is good enough and a lot easier)

ARC - Verdant or Crab bow +3.... This is what needs testing but I can't see any reason why Ul'dahn longbow is good at all 1 more attack then a crab bow +2? That is just silly any shouldn't even be considered.

CON (should they staff or wand/shield) - Nooo Idea. Depends on what you're doing. (Sleeping, nuking, healing.)
THM (*see CON) - Nooo Idea. Depends on what you're doing. (Sleeping, nuking, healing.)

**Cursive** · 08-13-2011 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Visch

CON (should they staff or wand/shield) - Nooo Idea. Depends on what you're doing. (Sleeping, nuking, healing.)
THM (*see CON) - Nooo Idea. Depends on what you're doing. (Sleeping, nuking, healing.)

there is no reason for con and thm not to use a shield...aegis boon II is pretty broken atm. it increases your survivability of shit hits the fan.

**ApplePie** · 08-13-2011 11:42 PM

HQ shield doesn't make a difference on shields, no stat increase. STR+2 increases block rate. qq

**REDace0** · 08-14-2011 01:44 AM

For CON I know the mag potency of the Astaroth Cane is the same as the +2 Jade Crook, though it does provide +INT. Since the crook has a higher crit rate, I would think that the best weapon for nuking would still be a +3 Crook.

**Jabo** · 08-14-2011 02:20 AM

The HQ equipment is far superior. I had a oak mac +3 once. Nearly 170 att. I had nearly atotal of 190 att with my Gladiator. ^^
There is a difference too. 10 Attack are about 5-7% more Damage.
So a +3 does 10-15% more Damage.
560 instead of 500. Thats something, if you ask me.

**Xenor** · 08-14-2011 10:55 AM

Back when I tested a Mythril Choker on my ARC (+7 attack) I didn't even notice the damage increase. However I always seem to do more damage with my +3 Crab Bow than the ARCs I party with who only have a +2. But many things can influence damage such as optimal use of skills, having more cross class skills etc.

One thing I've noticed since the 1.18 patch is it's a pain in the ass to sell +2/3 Jade Crooks and Crab Bows now. Even at bargain prices people simply won't fork out the cash. +3s are definitely better yet people don't want them, they just want the Batraal weapons because they're new. No one on my server has even completed a speed run yet, although my LS is pretty close.

**Teknoman** · 08-14-2011 01:43 PM

Probably will have to wait until they overhaul/fix the way stats work before truly deciding on anything.

**Visch** · 08-14-2011 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by ApplePie

HQ shield doesn't make a difference on shields, no stat increase. STR+2 increases block rate. qq

No stat increase? What? I wasn't aware "Blocking" and "Defense" were not stats. Thank you for telling the world this. And with only 90~ STR I've never failed to block on Orge or Batraal. Canopus shield = retainer.

Originally Posted by Teknoman

Probably will have to wait until they overhaul/fix the way stats work before truly deciding on anything.

This is also true. Everything we know is going to change when "jobs" come out also so hurrdurrdurr.

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