Thread: 2.5 - Before the Fall

Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Ramuh isn't actually "dead". None of the Primals are forever gone. Any of the beast tribes, with the proper devoutness and crystals, can summon their "god" any time they wish. So the Sylphs could technically summon Ramuh at any time, or if we saw fit, we probably could learn more of how Lady Iceheart was able to summon Shiva. If push came to shove, and knowing Minfilia persuaded the rest of the scions w/ our help as the WoL, then there probably could be a desperate enough time, especially if it involved killing all the ascians for good, that we as the good guys summon primal aid.

Personally, especially coming from Y'shtola, I don't see us attempting an "Ultima weapon" tactic w/ using Primal power, if you pay attention to the 2.2 ending storyline w/ Leviathan and Limsa, you'll see Y'shtola doesn't quite see how it's always the beastmens fault in the summoning situation, and wonders if it's really their fault, or ours (well Limsa's). Also the fact that Ultima (and Omega) reek of Allagans (which we know now, were a corrupted and greedy civilization), we would not instill into something that involved their technology w/o some kind of modification from Cid, making it into more his/Eorzean style.

i think the game has done a decent job making it very clear that the beast tribes aren't entirely unjust in summoning their primals, especially in the kobolds case when it was essentially done in self defense, and in Ramuh's case when the Sylphs only asked for people to stay out of their land, yet still they end up with issues. Shiva isn't really a good example because despite her endgame being "the end of war", war is exactly what she was planning to enact, really making her no different from the other hostile primals.

Ultimately i don't see the Scions adopting either the primals or allag weapons that use the primals as a solution, unless they're backed into a corner with no other option. And even then, it couldn't possibly be a "Scion" or "Crystal Braves" decision -- it would have to be likely carried out by all 3 grand companies as one. Even now in defeating the Ascians they're using research into crystals.

I think if SE ends up following through with the whole "capture primals and use them in battle" idea, it will be in a storyline involving some external threat like Garlemald, where everyone in Eorzea would benefit from it happening. With the player being a godslayer, I just can't see any other threat large enough that would cause it to happen, and the Primals are the one thing unique to Eorzea. Because im pretty sure if Garlemald reeeellllyy wanted Eorzea, they'd crush the shit out of them.