The Real Problem with Zodiac (Tank Speedrun Woes)

[FranSeara]

My point is with many players being over geared for Dfs there really no reason to speed run at a break neck pace. The mobs will die, trust me. They die really fast at any speed. With everyone being so well geared now its possale to speed run WP without an tank. I did it with a Whm, Nin and a Bard (thats me) we tore up that place. I've been in groups that could speed run PS without even trying to speed run the place. We completed the Df in 14 mins. with deaths and mistakes. I think you could complete PS in under 10 mins now.

[Ashkendor]

My point is with many players being over geared for Dfs there really no reason to speed run at a break neck pace. The mobs will die, trust me. They die really fast at any speed. With everyone being so well geared now its possale to speed run WP without an tank. I did it with a Whm, Nin and a Bard (thats me) we tore up that place. I've been in groups that could speed run PS without even trying to speed run the place. We completed the Df in 14 mins. with deaths and mistakes. I think you could complete PS in under 10 mins now.

That's the thing, though. Some people find speed runs really fun. When myself and 3 friends (PLD/WHM/BLM/BLM) run together and end up doing something like AK, we push the absolute limits of what we can do with the dungeon because we are so overgeared. Try to kill the first boss before the cultist casts Void Call (he just sits there at 1% btw -.-). See how much crap the tank can pull before I have to stop, pop HG, and watch things explode. Kill the Demon Wall before it casts Repel (haven't managed this yet). Let's face it, most of us have done these dungeons hundreds of times now. Anything that makes it more fun is a good thing.

[Valmar]

Most of the time I solo Que for Dungeons for my Zodiac quest, and I do speed run for the most part, but before I go off and pull 6 groups of Mobs, I look to see the level of HP every1 has, and I also ask if a speed run would be ok. If i get a bunch of no's. I run the dunegon at a normal pace.

Its not really so hard to ask, and be courteous, even if others are being rude.

[FranSeara]

Most of the time I solo Que for Dungeons for my Zodiac quest, and I do speed run for the most part, but before I go off and pull 6 groups of Mobs, I look to see the level of HP every1 has, and I also ask if a speed run would be ok. If i get a bunch of no's. I run the dunegon at a normal pace.

Its not really so hard to ask, and be courteous, even if others are being rude.

This is how it should be.

[Hayward]

Last night on my Summoner job, I saw a rarity in Brayflox' Longstop HM: A tank who actually ran through the area without giving healers or DPS a nervous breakdown. This tank actually grabbed groups of enemies that she could handle without being an MP sponge, and even handled the Gliders as smartly as I've seen any tank do so. If there were such a thing as a Favorites list for DF tanks, she'd be on it.

As a tank, I rarely care for grabbing more than 2 groups of enemies at a time. Part of that stemmed from being at iLv90 for so long until I decided to upgrade a bunch of equipment to get to i109 for both jobs. Part of it stems from not being certain if A) the DPS can take many enemies down in short enough order and B) the healer is able to keep me upright long enough.

[Isius]

I would have to agree with this thread. Any of the dungeons now associated with the new zodiac class weapons has become a haven to those that want nothing, but perfect runs in their minds, and anything less is just...well you are a trash of a player wasting my time, and I will make it appearant I don't like you verbally or nonverballly. This has been noticeable in the last 2 weeks. But this is nothing new honestly as others have said this has been around with all the new relic quest lines, and it won't change. But this type of attitude has always been around during the first week of the game with "HQ only gear parties/CM farms" to get philoshopy tomes, and later "Relic + HQ gear only parties" then "Relic+1 only~~~whatever parties" and it just grows, and grows, and never stops. People's hunger to get the new shiney the quickest, and fastest way possible will always be there, and it won't change.

Yes, what I stated up above is what people advertise in PF groups, but people also force this type of mentality into DF groups. They don't care if people are new or undergeared it's just rush, rush, and more rush. This only causes both sides to possibly getting sore at one another, and no one wins, and everyone that plays the game knows this is true. "Mmm...boy, new person +sol lolz." "Don't rush plz." rush anyways* "Your gear sux." "This healer/tank sux"

When I tank in DF's I always check my parties gear to see how much I can pull. If I feel like I have to make a adjustment to my pulls after the first one I will do it, and proceed at that rate THE WHOLE PARTY CAN HANDLE, not just one person. And I never really get a complaint about it. I even ask parties if they are all lvling if they want to do full dungeon runs so they can get more exp, when I am just doing it as a roulette or something for my relic questline, then just speed run it. I am even one of the guys what will queue in progress for a particular dungeon for people when someone goes anal and leaves a party.

But yeah, I have my limits, I'm human afterall on how much I can take, and just this morning a healer that decided to not heal me because I didn't skip a couple mobs, and this was just the first pull. He didn't say anything to me to skip them just stood there watching my hp pool drop as if he was teaching me a lesson this is what I get for not skipping a few mobs that he only knew/wanted to skip. I almost died if I didn't pop Hallowed Ground. I was under 10% my hp after all if this and all he did was /laugh at me, then he finally started to cast Cure 2...I turned the game off. I have better things to do then deal with people like that, and all I got to say I am sorry for the other two guys.

Frankly guys, I do not pay monthly to a GAME, a game which is something meant to be RELAXING to be ENJOYED. I do not pay monthly to deal with people's egos, or to deal with people's insecurities is it really that hard to realize everyone is different and to respect eachother for those differences? If a group wants to go faster or slower. I do it. If a guy needs a extra mob kill for his Grand Company hunts. I do it. The other 3 to 7 characters on your screen are people not NPCS, and I never call people out if they are doing badly.

But the type of person I described above is rare that are just plain rude, and will attack people over little reasons, but still it really bums me out everytime I meet one. It's just becomes more tiring to deal with every new one I meet.

[FranSeara]

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[Ashkendor]

I now dred DFs as Heals now. Its not that I'am a Bad healer but I can't heal speed runners. I don't understand why they pull 18 groups of mobs with a Scholar Healer. None of my spells are going to save them from 3,000-4,000 points of damage per sec. I wanna save them, but can't heal them for that much that fast. geez
lol

Er. I have a much easier time healing huge pulls as a scholar than as a white mage, honestly. >.>

Lustrate being off the GCD is extremely powerful, not to mention all the damage mitigation.

[FranSeara]

Er. I have a much easier time healing huge pulls as a scholar than as a white mage, honestly. >.>

Lustrate being off the GCD is extremely powerful, not to mention all the damage mitigation.

Err!! same for you. Mas pulling without warning is the tank's fault, not mine.

[Arkenaw]

I now dred DFs as Heals now. Its not that I'am a Bad healer but I can't heal speed runners. I don't understand why they pull 18 groups of mobs with a Scholar Healer. None of my spells are going to save them from 3,000-4,000 points of damage per sec. I wanna save them, but can't heal them for that much that fast. geez
lol

Did a tam tara HM speed run with an i70 scholar healing. Not a single death, so, sounds like you are just bad.