Why no further Echo on T9?

[Craiger]

I know this will start an argument on whether SE is ruining the game by making content easier or something... But I'm gonna do it anyways.

I'm by no means a bad gamer that needs a ton of echo buffs to beat content, but I just feel that T9 is too big of a gate for people that doesn't want to be in a static...

I could join a static group and go all hardcore, but I don't want to, I like to be free and maybe play with some from my FC at times, or with all randoms through PF. Even being in a T9 practice LS, which I am... but not being in a static of 8 man playing at specific times a week etc. That's not my style.

You can get 115 weapon by just beating Shiva, and now you can get a 125 Relic weapon easily (way too easy if you ask me), so why would it be so bad to add some extra echo on T9? It's not like it will be easy beating it without a static anyways...

The thing that annoys me the most, is that I've been told that at least Final Coil T1, is very much beatable by a PUG, not sure about T2, but that should probably work (soon at least)

It feels like I'm being forced to be in a static if I want to experience the Final Coil the coming months...

Like I said, Echo wouldn't make it easy for a PUG, but it would at least help with increasing the groups DPS (Not easy finding people that can actually do decent DPS)

[lololink]

10% is far enough to get past the DPS check, further bonus won't help you dodging the mechanics.

[Craiger]

10% is far enough to get past the DPS check, further bonus won't help you dodging the mechanics.

Did you read my post? I just said it won't help my group (I'm doing pretty good) with the dodging mechanics, but it will help with the DPS, which is also a problem.

10% echo to get past DPS check, yes that's enough IMO, and I'm usually on the top or second in DPS (BLM), so there should be no problem, but you should check out the DPS people get there... Even without the Echo, those numbers are low.

To LB the second dragon in P3 is a very common thing, even though you should not even get to the second dragon if you do good enough DPS

[RickXRolled]

Did you read my post? I just said it won't help my group (I'm doing pretty good) with the dodging mechanics, but it will help with the DPS, which is also a problem.

10% echo to get past DPS check, yes that's enough IMO, and I'm usually on the top or second in DPS (BLM), so there should be no problem, but you should check out the DPS people get there... Even without the Echo, those numbers are low.

That is a player problem. The game tries to ease up on things for those who struggle, but you still need to somewhat know how to play your job.(Looking at you 174 dps ninjas)

[Kuskoo]

its easy if not easier with the buff, if they're gonna nerf anything in that fight it should be the divebomb marker >_>
any higher buff is uneeded overkill like t5 and meh its the players from that point.
just 1 fixed spot for divebombs please D: due to me and all others getting them wrong >_> i cause 1/3 of wipes cause if there isn't an expert doin it.

[Defteros]

T5 with echo is still a too big of a gate to people.

[Vondoomervil]

T5 with echo is still a too big of a gate to people.

I'm still stuck on turn 5 after 100+ times lol. No static, just DF..Thats probably the problem.

[ZhycranaDranix]

T5 a gate ? With potential i120 char in game right now......

T5 is gated behind by players who lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils at this point.

I pug T5 daily on Tonberry and get a 100 Sol message everytime.....*one-two shot it all the time

[BreathlessTao]

T5 a gate ? With potential i120 char in game right now......

T5 is gated behind by players who lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils at this point.

Not everyone throwing themselves at it is i120. And yes, it probably is "gated" by people who "lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils" but would just like to get past what's now a year old content, and experience the story too tightly tied to the main plot of ARR.

[Teuciont]

and experience the story too tightly tied to the main plot of ARR.

Coil is completely separate from the main story and is treated as a secret operation that no one is supposed to know about. They did their best to separate it from the main story, and I find it unfortunate they did so as it creates a lack of impetus to clear it unless you played 1.0.