About Ninja Adjustment

[Blueskyy]

First of all Monk has the worst AOE ever. If for example im in a raid with boss i will start by using PB which will leaves it on CD. If i were to do AOE. It'll be Arms of destroyer > Twin snakes > Rockbreaker Total 310 tp used with 180 pot on AOE 100-140 pot on single target because of twin snakes with no GL stacks. It'll take 2.43 x3 with my current non gl stack SS. While NIN can do 300 pot in 2.09GCD x3 that cost 360 TP with my current NIN ss with huton. Not to forget that rockbreaker is in a cone not around you. Also, on the with no GL stacks. Mnks Arm of destoryer benefits from only 5% dmg buff from fist of fire. then 15% for rock breaker with twinsnakes added with fire fist while NIN has 20% dmg from kisses and Huton.

If you were to talk about PB rocker breaker spam U have to at least get a twinsnakes up then do rock breaker spam and that'll waste a 2.41 sec on PB leaving you about 3-4 rocker breaker to do due to PB having 10 sec and GL stacks goes from 2.43 > 2.31 > 2.06 which gives u about only 4 rockbreaker which is 520 pot. while NIN can do 5 death blossom which is 500 pot to aoe in 10 secs or lets say thats 20 pot lower than monk. But if you are considering of using PB i will consider using Kassatsu too. So if it takes away one death blossom which is 400pot kassatsu makes katon crit and katon sits on a 180pot which is 400 + 180pot with crit (im not sure about crit multiplier, was it 1.5x?). This number already over take Monks 4 rock breaker with pb. Also u should consider NIN can do death blossom to the end of Tp but PB only last 10secs.

So if you say whose AOE is stronger i would still say NINJA.

PS. sorry for bad ENG, if there's anything i calculated wrongly feel free to correct me

[Kaze3434]

First of all Monk has the worst AOE ever. If for example im in a raid with boss i will start by using PB which will leaves it on CD. If i were to do AOE. It'll be Arms of destroyer > Twin snakes > Rockbreaker Total 310 tp used with 180 pot on AOE 100-140 pot on single target because of twin snakes with no GL stacks. It'll take 2.43 x3 with my current non gl stack SS. While NIN can do 300 pot in 2.09GCD x3 that cost 360 TP with my current NIN ss with huton. Not to forget that rockbreaker is in a cone not around you. Also, on the with no GL stacks. Mnks Arm of destoryer benefits from only 5% dmg buff from fist of fire. then 15% for rock breaker with twinsnakes added with fire fist while NIN has 20% dmg from kisses and Huton.

If you were to talk about PB rocker breaker spam U have to at least get a twinsnakes up then do rock breaker spam and that'll waste a 2.41 sec on PB leaving you about 3-4 rocker breaker to do due to PB having 10 sec and GL stacks goes from 2.43 > 2.31 > 2.06 which gives u about only 4 rockbreaker which is 520 pot. while NIN can do 5 death blossom which is 500 pot to aoe in 10 secs or lets say thats 20 pot lower than monk. But if you are considering of using PB i will consider using Kassatsu too. So if it takes away one death blossom which is 400pot kassatsu makes katon crit and katon sits on a 180pot which is 400 + 180pot with crit (im not sure about crit multiplier, was it 1.5x?). This number already over take Monks 4 rock breaker with pb. Also u should consider NIN can do death blossom to the end of Tp but PB only last 10secs.

So if you say whose AOE is stronger i would still say NINJA.

PS. sorry for bad ENG, if there's anything i calculated wrongly feel free to correct me

where are you getting your numbers? this is all kinds of wrong. at first i thought with the first bolded area someone using doton, but the time you put there doesnt add up, so i can only think that in that time frame its katon and death blossom. death blossom is 100 pot flat. katon is 180 pot, like you said. where then, did that 400 pot come from?

[Pots_Talos]

What is the largest pull that can be done in a dungeon and how long does it take to AoE it down?

[VanilleFang]

You like to complain about NIN, and ask for buffs a lot.

I'm not sure if its just you being bad at the job, or if the job actually needs biffs (I haven't used it) but from what I've seen most NIN do really well.

Besides, why do NIN need to have better AoE? I don't get it.

[Kuroyasha]

What i dont understand is why does it matter? Do Black Mages need a nerf because they can aoe better than Ninja? Keep the stupid aoe crap, i would rather shred a boss than to be exactly even with everyone else. Dont start with the Ninja cant shred a boss or single target, i waste monks and drgs even after the nerf/buff. Quit Focusing on making every class the same, and focus on what sets us apart, else we end up like WoW and things get boring real fast. You cannot aoe as good as some one else than let them aoe and tear the mobs apart one by one before they can hit their 10s mrk and magicly aoe numbers will go down >.>

U waste bad ones

[Darkobra]

when you play every single combat class/job, constantly reading every tool-tip before going to do something would get tedious. unless you are unsure of the action.

You were unsure of the action. You got the numbers outright wrong. You don't need to "constantly read them." You need to learn them. Once.

If you're trying to change the game and do some theorycrafting, don't throw out the numbers without showing the math, what targets you've been using, gear levels, rotations... I get that you're new to this but what do you think is going to happen when someone that's been doing it for over a decade comes along and asks these very questions?

The excuse of "I don't want to read all the tooltips" just means I can't take the rest of the thread seriously. It screams to me that you're inexperienced with the ninja class so shouldn't be trying to change anything but your own skill.

[Maero]

U waste bad ones

Not really, Ninja still can do more damage then most dragoons
Monk well yeah, those that really know the class well can for sure do way more damage

also some of you why so much fuss over aoe? Like i said earlier you want/need real aoe just bring a blm, lol

[Tex_Mex]

This subject is a little bit unnecessary I think. aoe damage for melee classes doesn't matter very much because there are almost no end game raiding scenarios (coils i mean) where draining all of your TP is a viable solution.

Furthermore, it is really, REALLY important that all classes are able to bring something different to the table. Sure, ninja and monk aoe dps is on the lower side for melee, but they both bring 2x the raid utility of a dragoon anyways. What is important is that every class has the ability to fit a role and is important to end game scenarios. Hell, monk is the premier melee dps in final coil because their 10% int debuff is so amazing. Ninja is next because Goad is a massive dps increase for the close to mandatory monk in your group.

Anyways, don't spend too much time focusing on little things like melee AoE numbers. The TP cost alone means that melee AoE is pretty close to unusable anyways.

[Sessurea]

Asked a nin who was 1v1ing a 10+ dungeon pull to goad my dragoon and he said (infuriate)(do you have it?)


Ninja aoe stronk.

[Blueskyy]

where are you getting your numbers? this is all kinds of wrong. at first i thought with the first bolded area someone using doton, but the time you put there doesnt add up, so i can only think that in that time frame its katon and death blossom. death blossom is 100 pot flat. katon is 180 pot, like you said. where then, did that 400 pot come from?

Like I said if I used 4 death blossom instead of 5, to use my katon. It'll be 400pot won't it?