Monk: Dropping ToD?

[ryuuken]

Yes, you melees should really try lowering the pressure on bards, and let them do more dmg.
The only time I sing Paeon will be when myself run out of TP and Invigorate is on CD!

that's a terrible mindset

you have utility skills, so use them

a monk running dry is far more of a dps drop than what a bard loses for singing for 10-20 seconds, not to mention the benefit is received by tanks and whatnot as well

[RinchanNau]

that's a terrible mindset

you have utility skills, so use them

a monk running dry is far more of a dps drop than what a bard loses for singing for 10-20 seconds, not to mention the benefit is received by tanks and whatnot as well

Hey Kenji. Long time no see. Hope you're enjoying the change of scenery.

For sure utility should be used, but it depends on the fight and party config when it comes to what the best option is. Always letting your melee starve on any fight with any config is clearly pretty questionable. But if a MNK is going to be low on TP for 15s and no one else is in need of TP then well.. Might be better spent on Foe's in my experience and looking at raid DPS from past weeks/months. I suppose it becomes harder to measure exactly with gear changes and performance from each player and RNG varying each week.

Even if Paeon is a slight DPS loss for your group's config might you use it to keep everyone in your group happy and enjoying their raid time? Sure. Especially when content is on farm. DPS checks aren't very harsh at all once the group is geared. At that point who really cares? I've just been trying different things every week for fun.

2 weeks ago with starved NIN t11 he actually came out around 10 DPS higher than when I fed him a whole bar of MP for Paeon last week for no real reason other than comparison. Surely using Foe's instead of Paeon doesn't fully account for the NIN being higher while spending several seconds starved. RNG I guess. And our MNK gets Goad so the difference between those weeks wasn't really anything noteworthy. Going forward I'll just switch between the standard 800-100 MP for Paeon in t10-t11 (which I used to use in high uptime fights with double MNK/DRG configs) and zero Paeon and compare a bit more, I guess. May as well. I would suspect the results being pretty close with our MNK, NIN, BRD, BLM config. Results may vary with other configurations. And we've found Paeon to not really need to be a thing in both t12 and t13 with our setup.

And yes, the BRD DPS loss with Paeon can be minimized especially if timed well. There is still a bit of a drop but it doesn't have to be a huge one if timed for 20-30s of Paeon while all buffs are on CD.

[Blueskyy]

QUOTE RinchanNau
2 weeks ago with starved NIN t11 he actually came out around 10 DPS higher than when I fed him a whole bar of MP for Paeon last week for no real reason other than comparison. Surely using Foe's instead of Paeon doesn't fully account for the NIN being higher while spending several seconds starved. RNG I guess. And our MNK gets Goad so the difference between those weeks wasn't really anything noteworthy. Going forward I'll just switch between the standard 800-100 MP for Paeon in t10-t11 (which I used to use in high uptime fights with double MNK/DRG configs) and zero Paeon and compare a bit more, I guess. May as well. I would suspect the results being pretty close with our MNK, NIN, BRD, BLM config. Results may vary with other configurations. And we've found Paeon to not really need to be a thing in both t12 and t13 with our setup. [END Quote]


Hmm, I think the mind set that he is talking about is something like "Oh meleeS are low on TP while mine is still good, who cares i'll sing it once i get low on TP" then yea I too think that's a bad mentally as a bard.But I think if a MNK is extremely low on TP but NIN is still mid ranged then it should be the MNK fault for not managing his TP well. And also im not sure about the situation the NIN is in but if that 15sec can make a mnk lose his stacks and yea. The dps lost is gonna be high