Monk: Dropping ToD?

[Morzy]

So in T10 I came to the conclusion to not use ToD when necessary to ensure I have enough TP to sustain myself and keep the DPS going. I figured it was either no ToD[which drops me by 18 DPS, i think], no TP or no DPS/Mp for Foe that our Bard can use.

Did I make the right choice? I feel like I did fine without it. I'm still ripping hate off our PLD tank during T10 ads[and he has Nexus, i115]


And no, I don't use Fracture either, or my FC buddy would have to slap me.



Also my Skill Speed is 378.

[Aikaal]

(Not a Monk expert)

But I've seen monks wreck the dps charts keeping ToD and Fracture up. If you are concern about TP issues, Ninja is your friend.

[Odowla]

(Not a Monk expert)

But I've seen monks wreck the dps charts keeping ToD and Fracture up. If you are concern about TP issues, Ninja is your friend.

Yep, its all about knowing how long you can go.

only cut out ToD in a few instances;

1: you died without invigorate being up
2: You are at 200 TP with invigorate not ready for ~20 seconds
3: The DoT won't tick for 15 seconds (so like adds, etc)

[Viridiana]

It basically depends on what the rest of your group composition is. As I recall, ToD is the first thing to go (after Fracture, if it was ever there) when you start running into TP issues. But if you have a NIN and BRD, Goad and Paeon should keep you afloat and able to ToD without worry.

[abzoluut]

Got a bard? He can sing for you, you won't need that much. 20 sec will get you to your next invigorate. If he really can't (requiem/ballad), drop ToD yeh.

Ripping hate on the adds? Don't think it has anything to do with your dps. More with the fact you either attack one straight away and he's trying go keep both or you just attack the wrong one. Tab dotting helps you to not pull hate and it's a tiny bit more dps which is always nice.

[Arkenne]

I see the usefulness of that strategy when under 150 TP

[Almalexia]

ToD contributes very little in terms of DPS increase for its TP cost, similar to Fracture. It's not bad--just expensive.

For this reason, it's better to use it conservatively or when it outmodes any other option on the table. i.e.: losing optimal position due to mechanics or enmity shift. Dealing 280 potency on a GCD when you would only otherwise put out 140 on a missed MNK positional is a good deal, and it gives you time to get into the proper position for that combo.

[Morzy]

ToD contributes very little in terms of DPS increase for its TP cost, similar to Fracture. It's not bad--just expensive.

For this reason, it's better to use it conservatively or when it outmodes any other option on the table. i.e.: losing optimal position due to mechanics or enmity shift. Dealing 280 potency on a GCD when you would only otherwise put out 140 on a missed MNK positional is a good deal, and it gives you time to get into the proper position for that combo.

Hmm fair enough. I'll use it when I can.

[RoseM]

Yes, you melees should really try lowering the pressure on bards, and let them do more dmg.
The only time I sing Paeon will be when myself run out of TP and Invigorate is on CD!

[ryuuken]

Yes, you melees should really try lowering the pressure on bards, and let them do more dmg.
The only time I sing Paeon will be when myself run out of TP and Invigorate is on CD!

that's a terrible mindset

you have utility skills, so use them

a monk running dry is far more of a dps drop than what a bard loses for singing for 10-20 seconds, not to mention the benefit is received by tanks and whatnot as well