Do I need Atma?

[Spoekes]

It only got "easier" because people like you. I had no issue with doing lots of fates to try for 1 atma. It just meant more GC seals and closer to my 3k fate achievement, which I have now. You should do some research maybe before crying over a video game. Also, I cannot stress this enough, this is not FFXI or any other MMO. This is FFXIV and some of us die hards have been playing since 1.0 launch.
People like you are cute.

wtf is wrong with you?
I can kinda relate to elitists complaining about nerfs for Coil and Primals, but this..
mind = blown

[Synestr]

Quote Originally Posted by Xakery
It only got "easier" because people like you. I had no issue with doing lots of fates to try for 1 atma. It just meant more GC seals and closer to my 3k fate achievement, which I have now. You should do some research maybe before crying over a video game. Also, I cannot stress this enough, this is not FFXI or any other MMO. This is FFXIV and some of us die hards have been playing since 1.0 launch.
People like you are cute.
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Changed it a bit to get your point across mo betta Mr. Happystix:

Because of people like you (actually it was a decision made by the development team to keep the content relative) the hours I spent grinding for pixels to make my other pixels glow harder is invalidated. Your continued lack of desire to not be "die hard" like me, who has many more achievements than you btw (3k fate being one of them), did I mention I got the 3k fate acheivement, and be mediocre, and probably a joy to be around...because, well you are not an A**hat like me, effects my game tremendously. Really, 3k fates, and it does.

You say don't cry over a video game? There were no tears in the OP, just a question. You, son, need to quit acting like a pretentious, spoiled child and CRYING coz Billy wants to play with your toys. Contrary to your belief, you do not belong to any special FFXIV club. Get over yourself, and LTR before you respond.

To OP. Meh do it or don't, your game, your time.

[Maero]

If you are like so many other casuals then don't bother and be mediocre in this game. What you put in is what you will reap from it.

Your kidding right? Relic is not even bis and the current content can be completed without it, many many people have.
Heck people have cleared second coil before soldiery gear and atma weapon even was out
Or are you perhaps one of those players that think gear = skill?

Don't listen to that guy Op, the Relic is not at all needed but if you want to go that route maybe get a soldiery weapon if you do coil and such and upgrade your relic at your own pace, no need to rush it.

[Kazumac]

The relic chain is designed for people who are a completionist style of gamer or enjoy spending the time on something unique/bragging rights (not in a bad way I respect those who put in the effort). The chain is great to satisfy that type of gamer. If you aren't, there are alternate equally good upgrade paths achieved by other means such as soldiery (and soon the poetic weapons I'd guess) or gated by content such as coil or ex primals.

I think the design of the relic/zodiac path is good to appeal to a certain group. Others, like myself, just have to realize it is a quest line not designed for my tastes as I'd rather spend those hours learning primals and SCOB and with my play schedule I sadly don't have time for both.

I'll continue with my relic chain slowly at my own pace, it just isn't a primary means of weapon upgrades for me

[Jamillion]

Really? Why did you even bother to ask? Atmas are super easy to get now and take little time to get. I think someone said the yoshi P said (don't have an actual quote)the zodiac weapons will be the best weapons in the game.
If you are like so many other casuals then don't bother and be mediocre in this game. What you put in is what you will reap from it.

Are you always a jerk?

[VanilleFang]

Snip.

: I'm glad I haven't met that many people like you in game.

I'm sorry you don't have a life, but that's no reason to take it out on us and act like you are better than all of us who do. I know its hard, but you just have to go outside and get up off your butt. You might actually grow to understand other feelings beyond being angry at yourself, and your lack of a life, and frustration at the world for knowing there are more important things than a game.

People like you are cute.

[Sanguisio]

tbh its up to you, even though ATMAs are easy to get, the rest of phases still take time and obviously if you arent that fussed over a few stats on 1 piece dont bother.
Invest your time doing what you want and get the other options which are viable to play end game.

[toddx77]

Awesome, thanks for all the advice and nice words everyone

[Itseotle]

You don't need to progress your relic.
110 Sold Wep > 115 Shiva Wep > (patch 2.5) 130 Poetics Wep

I have to agree here. As a Zodiac holder at the moment, the climb to go from Zenith > Atma > Animus > Novus > Nexus > Zodiac, while individually much easier than in the past, in sum is still a monumentous task. Is it worth it? As others have stated, the Zodiac will keep growing. The details of how have yet to be revealed, but they almost assuredly will. So, yes, having a Zodiac is worth having one, especially if it becomes more customizable, but it is my belief that come 3.0 the path to Zodiac will have to be drastically nerffed even further

Why? Because in 3.0 no one will be doing the "old content" that is required to build a Zodiac.

Relic: I'm going to just mention this to give an understanding. Guaranteed drops from 2.0 Primals. This will be old content and thus you can expect very long queue times.

Atma: Fates are here to stay, but the Atma Fates pop in specific 2.0 zones, which will not be as popular (hell even Golden Saucer may see the world empty).

Animus: More 2.0 Fates, 2.0 Dungeon Bosses, and 2.0 open world grinding.

Novus: Materia, Grades 1-4. This step can theoretically doable in 3.0 content, but remember how Spirit Bonding vs Monster level works. Grade 5 materia anyone?

Nexus: Light farming can still be done in 3.0 here as well, so this step may go unchanged.

Zodiac: This is the big one here. It requires chance drops from 2.0 - 2.4 dungeons that will most likely be deserted. Couple long queue times with low drop rates and you have a nightmare step here.

Basically, they will have to change how the Relic process upgrades for 3.0 for new players as most of the old systems will be extremely tedious. Therefore, if you still have not done your Atma, I would suggest waiting for 3.0 and just getting Shiva or Poetic weapons for now.

[Tex_Mex]

There is pretty much no reason to go through the relic weapon grind unless you are a casual player with A LOT of extra time on hand. Currently the relic weapon line will take somewhere around 120+ hrs to complete all sections. The reward for that is currently an ilvl125 weapon (likely ilvl135 once 2.5 hits)

Here are the comparable weapons and the time required to get them:

Soldiery weapon - ilvl110 - syrcus tower - 1300 soldiery - roughly 10hours
Shiva weapon - ilvl115 - shiva ex - roughly 10 hours but requires a decent party at this time. Soldiery weapon is a bit easier
Poetics Weapon - ilvl130 - crystal tower final raid (24 man in 2.5) - 1300 poetics - roughly 20 hours but requires 3 week minimum due to lockouts/poetics cap