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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    Don't like it? Become a GM and change it yourself.
    I never said that the difference in playstyle ruling was bad. I said that the playerbase as a whole misunderstands where it's applicable and uses it as a poor excuse for everything. There are a lot of caveats as to what is or isn't an acceptable 'difference in playstyle' and every GM has a different opinion of what it means. Getting a large history of filed reports on your record for players accusing you of votekick abuse is also gonna make the GM team very annoyed at having to deal with you as an individual fast and color their perception of your case rapidly.

    It's important to remember that there isn't a definitive rulebook on what is or isn't harassment or abuse in-game - the TOS is purposefully open-ended, vague, and gives GMs arbitrative power over each individual case. The process used is holistic, meaning it considers all circumstances of your account, chat logs, etc. The importance of context has been said multiple times by redposts - what's considered a 'difference in playstyle' by the GM team in one context is 'flagrant abuse' in another.

    But rather than using our better moral judgement on what is or isn't being an ass, players are apparently clinging to sensationalist, decontextualized statements that have been re-framed multiple times by actual S-E staff.

    (Though it is a bad ruling in that no one understands how the hell it actually works.)

    Look, I'm not saying you can or can't votekick whoever you want. Nine out of ten times, a majority endorsement is all you need to justify another player's disruptiveness or unwillingness to cooperate or contribute. I'm just saying that there's a deep community misconception of what is or isn't acceptable because one time low-rank GM Dad came down from heaven and made a vague response to a vaguely described case. Regardless of TOS technicalities, you're going to need a boatload of reports before you're considered a problem by anyone, and even then it'll be a slap on the wrist.

    There's a tremendous difference between "This guy spiritbonded crafter gear in my Snowcloak run" and "I ban anyone who hasn't memorized a MrHappy video in DF because it's apparently too much effort for me to freaking type things in a DF progress group that's more likely to find ten pieces of Alexandrite in a row than get a single clear anyway."
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    Last edited by Krr; 12-20-2014 at 05:06 AM.
    video games are bad

  2. #62
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    DF is a grab bag of players of various skills, experience and attitudes. You never know what you're going to get. With PF, you have a bit more control over who joins... Sorta... In theory anyway.

    You can still use PF to form your own learning group for old content, though it is still possible that you'll get that one person (or persons) who just want to one-shot everything and they get their knickers in a twist when it doesn't happen in a learning party.
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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  3. #63
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    Momoida Jojoida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noshpan View Post
    DF is a grab bag of players of various skills, experience and attitudes. You never know what you're going to get. With PF, you have a bit more control over who joins... Sorta... In theory anyway.

    You can still use PF to form your own learning group for old content, though it is still possible that you'll get that one person (or persons) who just want to one-shot everything and they get their knickers in a twist when it doesn't happen in a learning party.
    That's quite alright. I will make sure to delineate what I am looking for in terms of learning parties. I know that there are learning parties that demand you watch/read a guide, so I'll have to be clear on my description. If someone is looking for an easy win, well, they might just be booted out if one cannot reason with them.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    I never said that the difference in playstyle ruling was bad. I said that the playerbase as a whole misunderstands where it's applicable and uses it as a poor excuse for everything.
    I'm not even going to read the rest simply because it's down to the GMs to decide when it is or is not applicable. If it is not applicable, they don't take action against the account.

    Again, try become a GM if you want to change things.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    I'm not even going to read the rest simply because it's down to the GMs to decide when it is or is not applicable. If it is not applicable, they don't take action against the account.

    Again, try become a GM if you want to change things.
    I'm sorry you have selective literacy and wrong opinions.

    Enjoy your inevitable ban! Those reports pile up fast, and GMs don't like that...

    You might get off once or twice, but there's a record with your name on it every time a GM has to investigate you for votekick abuse. Your flimsy excuse of playstyles will stop working after a few dozen...

    Trust me, some of my former FC mates know from experience.
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    Last edited by Krr; 12-20-2014 at 08:18 AM.
    video games are bad

  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    I'm sorry you have selective literacy and wrong opinions.

    Enjoy your inevitable ban!
    It's not selective literacy and your opinions about my "wrong opinions" are neither right nor wrong, they just are, and they are only "wrong" based on your own opinions. That's the great thing about opinions. I'd like to refer you to this image.

    I chose not to read the rest because your opening sentences means you are completely ignorant to the responses given by a GM as per multiple posts made on the forums.
    But that's okay. There have been posts about GMs stating that it is sufficient to dismiss someone for different styles of play. The players didn't write this, the players didn't choose to make this allowable. This was stated by the GM team.
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    Last edited by Barboron; 12-20-2014 at 10:28 AM.

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