Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Aurora-Pendragon]

You're exaggerating.

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and they won't vote abandon after 2 wipes. You can't actualy DF T5 thinking you're going to farm it. I'm still waiting to see a DF group passing trough twisters phase.

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

[CYoung187]

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and /snip

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

It is pretty dang easy to see that a group is going nowhere after 2 bad wipes. Abandoning is just being realistic. There is a huge difference in a wipe because of a few mistakes and wiping right away because a certain player knows nothing about the fight and will not be anywhere near competent even with some work. Was in a t7 run last night where both tanks were brand new and never read a single thing about the fight. Watching them fail every mechanic is not what the other 6 are there for. There is only so much coaching you can do. "Oh, what's voice?"

Going in 100% blind in anything past t4 is completely wasting everyone else's time. Don't expect to get anywhere, who knows how many groups of random players' time is completely wasted for a completely raw player to actually see and learn every mechanic. This isn't a read and react type of game. Most mechanics are not self explanatory.

[Ashkendor]

Why help those who won't help themselves or others? So only experienced players should help new players but new players should help experienced players by going in with some knowledge prior to the fight?

Yup, exactly this. I enjoy helping those that help themselves. Those that don't, though... yeah, no.

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and they won't vote abandon after 2 wipes. You can't actualy DF T5 thinking you're going to farm it. I'm still waiting to see a DF group passing trough twisters phase.

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

I can't imagine DF'ing T5 or Mog EX. There's a limit to how much I can put up with. People derping up and killing moogles early, people killing half the party with divebombs... just... no. It'd be right up there with T7 DF. >.<

I honestly don't DF a lot of stuff simply because I'd rather PF and actually clear things. A few friends tell me that I have a terribly biased notion about DF parties all being bad, but honestly the vast majority of them that I've been in have been awful. I think I've cleared T6 all of twice in the DF and failed it probably a dozen times. Why do that when I can just PF it and get players that are either 1) on farm mode or 2) at least all on the same page as far as wanting to learn. I've gone into DF and seen AFK'ers, people that purposely hinder the group's progress because they think it's funny/cute, and people that are too lazy to learn mechanics and flat out ask for carries. Most days I'd sooner not run than run eight man content in the Duty Finder.