Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Gardes]

Only an idiot would ignore the fact that actually getting hands-on experience is going to help you a LOT more

I'd agree if you're going into the fight with some idea of what to expect from the fight. If we're to look at another instance where the word 'hands-on experience' is used, you don't send an intern to get some 'hands-on experience' before making them go through some text learning.

is going to help you a LOT more than wasting hours trying to find a single group for a handful of runs. Sure, you may not WIN by running the Duty Finder,

So it's not okay for 1 player to have to wait/look for 7 other consenting players but it's okay to get 7 random players that may have a different goal and potentially waste their time? Because they're strangers? Or is it because that 1 player just doesn't care?

There are two ways to play. Be a part of the problem, or be part of the solution. You seem to prefer the former

And there are 2 sides. Both have to compromise. If the experienced players have to accommodate for the new player who's trying to do old content, he should at least read up on the fight. If I were to suddenly stop playing before ever seeing t13 and I came back to my fc having t13 on farm and they offered to help me get past it, I would go read up on the fight first. I wouldn't look at a gift horse in the mouth and ask them to flail about in t13 just because I wanted to, even if they are my good game friends, unless they specifically wanted me to.

Yes, reading on it is not the same as seeing the fight first hand but I'll be able to put two and two together as soon as I see them instead of having to scramble or just stand in one spot to look at the animations, effects, my status, party status, debuff icons, buff icons, to understand what's going to happen as the mechanics happen.

[Sapphic]

Yes, reading on it is not the same as seeing the fight first hand but I'll be able to put two and two together as soon as I see them instead of having to scramble or just stand in one spot to look at the animations, effects, my status, party status, debuff icons, buff icons, to understand what's going to happen as the mechanics happen.

But you both on the same page, you name a mechanic they know what it is. Instead of "durrrr whats that?"

See so many go into DF and first thing they say is "what do I do?" instead of taking a few minutes to read up in a more detailed written way something they are expecting others to type up for them. From the posts, pretty much demanding that others cater to them not having to make any effort to prepare for said content. Isn't that the definition of self entitlement?

Instead of going into DF expecting everyone else to cater to one, meet em half way and do some preparation before joining, As it is MUCH easier and less time consuming to help someone who is on the same page/speaking the same language in regards to mechanics and terminology.

I've also seen it the other way as well, where, with fights with different strats for mechanics, the tank, instead of checking everyone is using the same strat, says nothing and just initiates the fight then gets mad when half the party does one thing and the other half another XD

[LineageRazor]

See so many go into DF and first thing they say is "what do I do?" instead of taking a few minutes to read up in a more detailed written way something they are expecting others to type up for them.

Just be aware that, as hard as it might be for forum-readers like us to imagine, there ARE plenty of folks in-game who simply have no idea that these resources exist. Not every FFXIV player reads the forums, or even knows that there are videos you can watch online. Not everyone that plays an MMO is also Internet-savvy. A lot of folks who come into an instance and ask, "What do I do?" either honestly don't understand that there's even another way - or believes that getting the skinny straight from other players is the best way to learn.

There's a case for that, given that a lot of internet resources have conflicting and alternate strategies - it's good to know which strategy is currently "in", and that your party will be doing. For example, I first defeated Ifrit Ex long after it was worthwhile to have him on "farm" mode. The guide I'd read suggested that the tanks both stand at the edge of the arena, with enough gap between them that Ifrit won't hit the off-tank with Incinerate. The tanks pretty much never move except to reposition for the next set of Radiant Plumes; Vulcan Burst doesn't knock them back because they're already at the edge of the arena, and when swapping hate Ifrit simply turns to face the other tank, rather than either tank having to move (and potentially getting both tanks hosed down with Incinerate while they reposition).

This was the method that was used on my first win, and it works great. However, no tank I've encountered since uses that strategy. They all stand with Ifrit pointed straight outwards, and expect the off-tank to move to Ifrit's side, and run in when the swap occurs. It works, certainly, but is much messier - and, since I wasn't expecting it, I wound up getting hit by every Incinerate until I figured out what was going on.

So, there's value to be had in asking the group with for advice if you're inexperienced, even if you've done research ahead of time. I don't mean to imply from this that you SHOULDN'T use guides - just that it never hurts to confirm what you've read with the players you're with when trying out new content.

[Sapphic]

So, there's value to be had in asking the group with for advice if you're inexperienced, even if you've done research ahead of time. I don't mean to imply from this that you SHOULDN'T use guides - just that it never hurts to confirm what you've read with the players you're with when trying out new content.

I said that in post you quoted ^_^

I've also seen it the other way as well, where, with fights with different strats for mechanics, the tank, instead of checking everyone is using the same strat, says nothing and just initiates the fight then gets mad when half the party does one thing and the other half another XD