Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Deculture]

exept DF are there for that, since PF party are barely used for this. if you do a DF of a content and hope that everyone know the whole fight.... you are quite naive. when you press the ready button for DF a content, you accept that you can get people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time... i find it extremely rude the people that expect everyone to be at the same point than them in DF... if you don't want to meet people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time...create a group in PF with the same goal.

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

Someone linked a video to a solo queue DF T9 clear a few days ago done in a JP DF group.

[LunaHoshino]

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

This way of doing things always made far more sense to me. The way I see it, treating DF as a place for learning fights just turns into a vicious circle: people who are looking to clear content will simply stop using the DF and go to PF instead, meaning that DF ends up consisting mostly of inexperienced players with very few experienced players to help out, which just makes it even harder for those players to get clears.

Personally, I don't touch DF anymore for anything other than roulettes. While I'm happy to help new players learn fights, I want it to be something I entered the party knowing I was going to be doing, not something that gets sprung on me as a surprise when I'm trying to clear something for whatever reason.

[silentwindfr]

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

Someone linked a video to a solo queue DF T9 clear a few days ago done in a JP DF group.

don't get me wrong, i feel that the DF and PF are badly used in US and EU, i feel the JP server use it how it's intended to be used. sadly i'm on ragnarok.... then i'm forced to adapted myself to the standart used there. PF are used for clear and make group optimized while the DF are used for the learning, believe me i think it's a nonsense, how you want people to learn anything with a group changing everytime?
anyway, all i say it's in EU and US DF are PUG then don't expect people to be skilled or have knowledge of the fight, like i have said it's naive. and kick someone because he is like this... is being rude, since if you want to not meet people like this, create a PF is safer.

[LalaRu]

... participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time ...

There are mainly three groups of players in the raiding field:

The first group, is people who wants learn to learn a fight, trying to comprend mechanics on their own, and have the reward and joy to make the kill with all his own effort, and maybe share the findings with the community.

The second group, is people that is not smart enough (or not willing) to understand mechanics themselves, so they first wait someone else wrote on the internet how the fight is (see above), and then copy and paste the fight to make the kill, making ten thousands less effort than the first group of people.

Third group is all the rest. Including who does not care anything and join with the hope being carried, or just playing to kill 15 min of his time before go lunch, etc.

What group you belongs to?

Edit:
Don't take me wrong. There is nothing bad on belonging on a group or another. Problems you (we) get in duty are most likely to happen when people from different groups are mixed together. That also explain why PF is the best method, as long as you end up with people (hopefully) belonging same group.