Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Hazama999]

Hello,

I'd taken a long break from then game and only recently made it through T5 with the help of my FC. I don't really like to watch or read guides on something unless I'm really stuck on it. It was rather foolish of me to go into T6 through DF without having any previous knowledge of it. At least that was the feeling I got when I got kicked after the second wipe (with me tanking Rafflesia).

I'm kind of conflicted here. Do you think it's still possible to get a learning party going through PF even though the content has been "nerfed to hell" and considered somewhat outdated? Or, should I just throw myself against it through DF and learn it the hard way? I'm a bit reluctant to do the latter as I know for sure that I'd probably be the cause of at least one wipe, and I don't really wanna drag people down just because I'm still in the learning process.

I'm also geared just enough to do T9 and I've seen a few T9 learning parties on the PF, but I'd like to do each turn in order so I dunno about that <_<

That is one of the things I wish SE had kept when implementing Coil into DF. That is, doing a turn before the next one is unlocked in DF as opposed to having the whole of second Coil unlocked from the get-go.

But I digress. I appreciate any advice you could offer me

[Barboron]

You're too far behind to be honest. That fight is pretty easy that it's rare to see a learning party. Maybe T8 or T9 learning parties but not T6.

As for going into DF....I would honestly vote kick someone for doing that. It's not that someone is new to the fight but rather hasn't put the effort in. The Duty Finder is there for matching up with others, but you're highly likely to be matched up with at least a few players who know the fight and are there for the kill. Why should players have to cater to people who know little to nothing of the fight? (Honest question by the way)

It's not a personal attack on you, I just find it quite rude of players to do this.

I will reiterate, I don't care if people have cleared the content or not, but knowing what you are getting into is good. I will just as quickly take someone new who has looked up the fight compared to someone with kill "experience", as they wipe the parties just as easily.

[silentwindfr]

Why should players have to cater to people who know little to nothing of the fight? (Honest question by the way)

It's not a personal attack on you, I just find it quite rude of players to do this.

exept DF are there for that, since PF party are barely used for this. if you do a DF of a content and hope that everyone know the whole fight.... you are quite naive. when you press the ready button for DF a content, you accept that you can get people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time... i find it extremely rude the people that expect everyone to be at the same point than them in DF... if you don't want to meet people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time...create a group in PF with the same goal.

DF = Pick Up Group.... it's a reality and PUG means you can get anything, the best like the worst *shrugs* just my 2 cents.

[Gardes]

exept DF are there for that, since PF party are barely used for this.

Who went and made that official? If anyone can make that assumption, others can make the opposite assumption based on the age of content. Fact is, the df party that the OP got wanted a tank that knows what he's doing and the vote was proof of that.

It works both ways for df.

[Hyrist]

Who went and made that official?

Rule of averages did. It does not matter how many parties you mistreat, eventually you kicking someone for poor player skill will wind up with one too many reports on your record and action will be taken. That's how it gets officiated. Duty Finder is lowest common denominator of grouping. It does not matter what you attempt to socially contract in a web-based community that represents a minority of the players. What happens most often in the Duty Finder itself dictates the rules, not anything anyone has to say here, regardless of our personal feelings on it.

This is why my Free Company makes it a concerted effort to assist all our members so they are not forced to resort to Duty Finder.

[Deculture]

exept DF are there for that, since PF party are barely used for this. if you do a DF of a content and hope that everyone know the whole fight.... you are quite naive. when you press the ready button for DF a content, you accept that you can get people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time... i find it extremely rude the people that expect everyone to be at the same point than them in DF... if you don't want to meet people that don't know the fight or do it for the first time...create a group in PF with the same goal.

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

Someone linked a video to a solo queue DF T9 clear a few days ago done in a JP DF group.

[LunaHoshino]

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

This way of doing things always made far more sense to me. The way I see it, treating DF as a place for learning fights just turns into a vicious circle: people who are looking to clear content will simply stop using the DF and go to PF instead, meaning that DF ends up consisting mostly of inexperienced players with very few experienced players to help out, which just makes it even harder for those players to get clears.

Personally, I don't touch DF anymore for anything other than roulettes. While I'm happy to help new players learn fights, I want it to be something I entered the party knowing I was going to be doing, not something that gets sprung on me as a surprise when I'm trying to clear something for whatever reason.

[silentwindfr]

This is for sure the mindset for NA (and maybe EU?) DF, but the JP datacenter DFs are treated as "clear" parties where participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time (to not inconvenient the rest of the party) even if they've never actually done it before.

Someone linked a video to a solo queue DF T9 clear a few days ago done in a JP DF group.

don't get me wrong, i feel that the DF and PF are badly used in US and EU, i feel the JP server use it how it's intended to be used. sadly i'm on ragnarok.... then i'm forced to adapted myself to the standart used there. PF are used for clear and make group optimized while the DF are used for the learning, believe me i think it's a nonsense, how you want people to learn anything with a group changing everytime?
anyway, all i say it's in EU and US DF are PUG then don't expect people to be skilled or have knowledge of the fight, like i have said it's naive. and kick someone because he is like this... is being rude, since if you want to not meet people like this, create a PF is safer.

[LalaRu]

... participants are expected to have knowledge of the fight ahead of time ...

There are mainly three groups of players in the raiding field:

The first group, is people who wants learn to learn a fight, trying to comprend mechanics on their own, and have the reward and joy to make the kill with all his own effort, and maybe share the findings with the community.

The second group, is people that is not smart enough (or not willing) to understand mechanics themselves, so they first wait someone else wrote on the internet how the fight is (see above), and then copy and paste the fight to make the kill, making ten thousands less effort than the first group of people.

Third group is all the rest. Including who does not care anything and join with the hope being carried, or just playing to kill 15 min of his time before go lunch, etc.

What group you belongs to?

Edit:
Don't take me wrong. There is nothing bad on belonging on a group or another. Problems you (we) get in duty are most likely to happen when people from different groups are mixed together. That also explain why PF is the best method, as long as you end up with people (hopefully) belonging same group.

[Vaultic_Fang]

The Duty Finder is there for matching up with others, but you're highly likely to be matched up with at least a few players who know the fight and are there for the kill. Why should players have to cater to people who know little to nothing of the fight? I just find it quite rude of players to do this.

The Duty Finder is meant for both new and experienced players.
If you are offended by helping new players learn content in a duty finder, I would recommend you avoid it in the future and stick to making pre-made or simply leave the group.