Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[LineageRazor]

See so many go into DF and first thing they say is "what do I do?" instead of taking a few minutes to read up in a more detailed written way something they are expecting others to type up for them.

Just be aware that, as hard as it might be for forum-readers like us to imagine, there ARE plenty of folks in-game who simply have no idea that these resources exist. Not every FFXIV player reads the forums, or even knows that there are videos you can watch online. Not everyone that plays an MMO is also Internet-savvy. A lot of folks who come into an instance and ask, "What do I do?" either honestly don't understand that there's even another way - or believes that getting the skinny straight from other players is the best way to learn.

There's a case for that, given that a lot of internet resources have conflicting and alternate strategies - it's good to know which strategy is currently "in", and that your party will be doing. For example, I first defeated Ifrit Ex long after it was worthwhile to have him on "farm" mode. The guide I'd read suggested that the tanks both stand at the edge of the arena, with enough gap between them that Ifrit won't hit the off-tank with Incinerate. The tanks pretty much never move except to reposition for the next set of Radiant Plumes; Vulcan Burst doesn't knock them back because they're already at the edge of the arena, and when swapping hate Ifrit simply turns to face the other tank, rather than either tank having to move (and potentially getting both tanks hosed down with Incinerate while they reposition).

This was the method that was used on my first win, and it works great. However, no tank I've encountered since uses that strategy. They all stand with Ifrit pointed straight outwards, and expect the off-tank to move to Ifrit's side, and run in when the swap occurs. It works, certainly, but is much messier - and, since I wasn't expecting it, I wound up getting hit by every Incinerate until I figured out what was going on.

So, there's value to be had in asking the group with for advice if you're inexperienced, even if you've done research ahead of time. I don't mean to imply from this that you SHOULDN'T use guides - just that it never hurts to confirm what you've read with the players you're with when trying out new content.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

I've seen players in T5 DF saying they won't watch a video or a guide because it's only a game and not a job. It's annoying but let's face it, they pay a sub like me, so they are allowed to DF whatever they want.
In general, people are patient enough they explain the mechanics, and after the first wipe, we give even more information. If I see someone struggling with conflag ( especialy fireball), I tell them to hug me whatever it happens when they have the red mark.
I know it can be stressful, and even more when people start yelling at you because you have no experience. I also understand people who try to go trough T5 or Mog EX ( like me) and wipe again and again and again and finaly get mad. I have perosnnaly cleared all of this with my other character but I'm stucked with this one. I know the fights, but instead of kicking and raging, I take the time to explain again and again and again.
I rather have a party of newbies who keep trying than one made with "pros" who can't stand a single wipe because of an unexperienced player.

[Barboron]

It's annoying but let's face it, they pay a sub like me, so they are allowed to DF whatever they want.

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

[Sapphic]

So, there's value to be had in asking the group with for advice if you're inexperienced, even if you've done research ahead of time. I don't mean to imply from this that you SHOULDN'T use guides - just that it never hurts to confirm what you've read with the players you're with when trying out new content.

I said that in post you quoted ^_^

I've also seen it the other way as well, where, with fights with different strats for mechanics, the tank, instead of checking everyone is using the same strat, says nothing and just initiates the fight then gets mad when half the party does one thing and the other half another XD

[Tiggy]

You're extremely far behind. You either make a full group of people willing to learn it the way you want to or you're going to have to suck it up and watch a video. It's new to you but for many people this is 7+ month old content. You're actively dragging people down by jumping into PF expecting to learn it on the fly. That's extremely disrespectful to the people who you are joined with. You have zero respect for them or their time when you play like this.

Not every FFXIV player reads the forums, or even knows that there are videos you can watch online.

There is a video for everything online and every game I can think of has websites, forums, and online tools. If people aren't looking for the resources it isn't because they don't know they exist. It's because they never even tried. People need to have more personal responsibility for their own growth, and when people like you make excuses for them it doesn't fix anything.

[Krr]

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

Ah yes, the legendary "difference in playstyle" option on the Vote Kick menu. I hear if you press up up down down left right left right A B Enter (or SELECT if you're a pad player) it will appear, and if you select it, a GM will teleport into the instance wielding a miscontextualized screenshot to endorse being a jerkbag with vote dismiss.

[Barboron]

Ah yes, the legendary "difference in playstyle" option on the Vote Kick menu. I hear if you press up up down down left right left right A B Enter (or SELECT if you're a pad player) it will appear, and if you select it, a GM will teleport into the instance wielding a miscontextualized screenshot to endorse being a jerkbag with vote dismiss.

Unfortunately, no. The GMs won't take action against it because it's a legitimate reason to dismiss someone, as I have been told by the GMs.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

I guess being helpful isn't for everyone. But I'd suggest these people to create their own static and keep their badass skills for themselves. They could even sell runs to the noobs they kick.

[Krr]

Unfortunately, no. The GMs won't take action against it because it's a legitimate reason to dismiss someone, as I have been told by the GMs.

Furthermore, my dad works at Nintendo and he said Louisoix is going to be Smash 4 DLC next year. It's true because I said it was.

[Sessurea]

Learn the mechanics yeah, will help xD. Learning parties will fill up if you make them, you just need to be the one to take that initiative. Possibly make a LS and invite those people who have similar interests as you.

As for order you do scob? Doesn't really matter unless you're religious about lore spoilers. None of on t6-8 really helps with t9, though you could chill with them and gear up. Make yourself a better player and improve your dps under stress.

I did manage to clear t9 in a learning group, but the stars had to align for that to be honest. Look towards a static to make things a lot easier maybe.