Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Barboron]

Ah yes, the legendary "difference in playstyle" option on the Vote Kick menu. I hear if you press up up down down left right left right A B Enter (or SELECT if you're a pad player) it will appear, and if you select it, a GM will teleport into the instance wielding a miscontextualized screenshot to endorse being a jerkbag with vote dismiss.

Unfortunately, no. The GMs won't take action against it because it's a legitimate reason to dismiss someone, as I have been told by the GMs.

[Krr]

Unfortunately, no. The GMs won't take action against it because it's a legitimate reason to dismiss someone, as I have been told by the GMs.

Furthermore, my dad works at Nintendo and he said Louisoix is going to be Smash 4 DLC next year. It's true because I said it was.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

I guess being helpful isn't for everyone. But I'd suggest these people to create their own static and keep their badass skills for themselves. They could even sell runs to the noobs they kick.

[Ashkendor]

I've seen players in T5 DF saying they won't watch a video or a guide because it's only a game and not a job. It's annoying but let's face it, they pay a sub like me, so they are allowed to DF whatever they want.

Sure, they're entitled to play how they want to. By the same token, I am also entitled to play how I want to. So are the other six players in the party. At that time, it turns into a 'majority rules' situation. Is the majority of the party there to learn and not necessarily to clear? Fair enough, I'll either help them learn, eat the half hour penalty, or get myself kicked. If the majority if the party is there to clear, they have every right to kick the player or players that are keeping them from doing so. It's a simple matter of differing play styles.

I rather have a party of newbies who keep trying than one made with "pros" who can't stand a single wipe because of an unexperienced player.

You're exaggerating. Nobody's saying anything about not being able to stand a single wipe. Even "pros" can make mistakes that cause wipes. But if a player is going in completely raw and hasn't even seen or read a guide, it takes that much longer to get through stages of the fight that many of us basically snooze through. Unless I jump into a clear/learning party, when I go into a PF party I intend to farm it. That doesn't mean 'struggle through it six times before finally clearing it and then repeat'. That means get in there, get it done quickly, and do it again. Obviously I can't hope to farm through DF, but my feelings there are pretty similar. I don't go into DF parties intending to spend upwards of an hour teaching the mechanics to someone that can't even be bothered to watch a 5-10 minute video to at least pick up the basics before plunging in with seven other random people.

I understand wanting to experience new content. Really, I do. I love the feeling of going in blind with three or seven other players that are also going in blind. The problem is, the duties that available in solo queue through Duty Finder more than likely aren't new content to 6/8 or 7/8. It's stuff we've all done multiple times before and asking us to go through those "learning stages" again just so one person can get the "full experience" is pretty selfish. Suck it up, catch up to the new content, and have fun jumping in blind when the fight itself is new.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

You're exaggerating.

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and they won't vote abandon after 2 wipes. You can't actualy DF T5 thinking you're going to farm it. I'm still waiting to see a DF group passing trough twisters phase.

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

[CYoung187]

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and /snip

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

It is pretty dang easy to see that a group is going nowhere after 2 bad wipes. Abandoning is just being realistic. There is a huge difference in a wipe because of a few mistakes and wiping right away because a certain player knows nothing about the fight and will not be anywhere near competent even with some work. Was in a t7 run last night where both tanks were brand new and never read a single thing about the fight. Watching them fail every mechanic is not what the other 6 are there for. There is only so much coaching you can do. "Oh, what's voice?"

Going in 100% blind in anything past t4 is completely wasting everyone else's time. Don't expect to get anywhere, who knows how many groups of random players' time is completely wasted for a completely raw player to actually see and learn every mechanic. This isn't a read and react type of game. Most mechanics are not self explanatory.

[Ashkendor]

Why help those who won't help themselves or others? So only experienced players should help new players but new players should help experienced players by going in with some knowledge prior to the fight?

Yup, exactly this. I enjoy helping those that help themselves. Those that don't, though... yeah, no.

I DF T5 and Mog Ex everyday actualy. I've been in groups that disband after 2 wipes only. So no I'm not exaggerating.
Players going totaly blind are rare, but most of players who still DF T5 or Mog EX are players who need to clear them to get access to more content and they won't vote abandon after 2 wipes. You can't actualy DF T5 thinking you're going to farm it. I'm still waiting to see a DF group passing trough twisters phase.

Edit: I'm just talking about DF. Newbies joining a PF group asking for experienced players/farm deserve a kick.

I can't imagine DF'ing T5 or Mog EX. There's a limit to how much I can put up with. People derping up and killing moogles early, people killing half the party with divebombs... just... no. It'd be right up there with T7 DF. >.<

I honestly don't DF a lot of stuff simply because I'd rather PF and actually clear things. A few friends tell me that I have a terribly biased notion about DF parties all being bad, but honestly the vast majority of them that I've been in have been awful. I think I've cleared T6 all of twice in the DF and failed it probably a dozen times. Why do that when I can just PF it and get players that are either 1) on farm mode or 2) at least all on the same page as far as wanting to learn. I've gone into DF and seen AFK'ers, people that purposely hinder the group's progress because they think it's funny/cute, and people that are too lazy to learn mechanics and flat out ask for carries. Most days I'd sooner not run than run eight man content in the Duty Finder.

[Tiggy]

You're extremely far behind. You either make a full group of people willing to learn it the way you want to or you're going to have to suck it up and watch a video. It's new to you but for many people this is 7+ month old content. You're actively dragging people down by jumping into PF expecting to learn it on the fly. That's extremely disrespectful to the people who you are joined with. You have zero respect for them or their time when you play like this.

Not every FFXIV player reads the forums, or even knows that there are videos you can watch online.

There is a video for everything online and every game I can think of has websites, forums, and online tools. If people aren't looking for the resources it isn't because they don't know they exist. It's because they never even tried. People need to have more personal responsibility for their own growth, and when people like you make excuses for them it doesn't fix anything.

[Sessurea]

Learn the mechanics yeah, will help xD. Learning parties will fill up if you make them, you just need to be the one to take that initiative. Possibly make a LS and invite those people who have similar interests as you.

As for order you do scob? Doesn't really matter unless you're religious about lore spoilers. None of on t6-8 really helps with t9, though you could chill with them and gear up. Make yourself a better player and improve your dps under stress.

I did manage to clear t9 in a learning group, but the stars had to align for that to be honest. Look towards a static to make things a lot easier maybe.

[Hazama999]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I've decided to just set up a learning party and Idk, maybe craft or level up ninja while I wait.

I really don't want to watch/read a guide. I feel it would be disrespectful to myself, and if I can't respect myself, how could I respect others? Going in blind is considered extremely disrespectful according to that one poster, so I'll avoid that for now. It may take a while to get a party together but eh, that's how it is when you're not on top of your game like most people who do Coil.