Finally got through T5. Time to learn T6?

[Yumi_umi]

Nah. Hell, me and some friends routinely put up PF's looking for people needing first coil clears.

Dat 100 soldiery bonus is hella nice.

First coil is basically an utter faceroll outside of T5; there you actually have to pay attention to mechanics.

On adamantoise, the pf is baren lol.
No such thing as coil 1 anymore.
Just shiva ex, fcob static recruiting/ clearing, crafting and the occasional random party for hunts.

[RaspberryRipple]

T6 is easy to tank. Tank him in the center. Tank swap when he spits. Run through the boss every other thorn whip. Last phase tank him on the edge. That is it.

[LineageRazor]

People can claim whatever they want about "what Duty Finder is for", but the very fact that people argue about it leads to one inescapable conclusion: Whatever people WANT Duty Finder to be for, what it actually is is a mix of all kinds of different players. Hardcore experts. Fresh newbies that don't even know videos EXIST, let alone that they're expected to watch them. People with hair-trigger reflexes. People with Comcast- er, I mean, lag issues.

If you sign up in Duty Finder expecting to get a group where everyone knows the fight and you'll down the run in one or two attempts, you're being hopelessly naive. Can it happen? Absolutely. Is it likely? Depends on the difficulty of the instance. Most of the time, though, you'll have to deal with That One Guy who just can't dodge Plumes, or doesn't seem to know how to handle Blighted Boquet - and a lot of the time, it'll be Those Several Guys.

Given that it's a crapshoot, though, I find going into content blind while KNOWING that the mechanics are complex and difficult to master even when you know what to expect to be pretty rude to the other players. Essentially, you're putting these other seven players on hold while you figure this stuff out, and that's something you could have done ahead of time. How quickly would a raw player figure out the interplay between Fireball, Conflagration, and the Conflag speed buffs if they didn't know to expect it? Let alone the tactic of deliberately entering a Conflag when targeted with Fireball... These are pretty vital to know, though, and among the first things you're taught upon watching a T5 video.

Going raw and trying to figure out mechanics by personal experience costs valuable practice time - and is probably futile anyway, as the mechanics will be hastily explained to you by the party if they're indulgent, or you'll simply be kicked if they are not. You'll only be raw for as long as it takes for the party to REALIZE that you're raw. So, you've wasted the party's time, and not even succeeded at your goal.

While it's foolish to have any high expectations for the folks that sign on to Duty Finder, it's even more foolish to transform yourself into That One Guy on purpose. If you really want to experience content raw, there are two awesome, and pretty much universally acceptible ways to do it: get in on the content when it's fresh and new and EVERYONE is raw, or gather like-minded (or tolerant) players by using a Party Finder with your situation clearly spelled-out. The latter is particularly nice, as it's a good way to meet like-minded folks who will stick with you and who you can call upon for future raw excursions.

[Kazumac]

Going raw and trying to figure out mechanics by personal experience costs valuable practice time - and is probably futile anyway, as the mechanics will be hastily explained to you by the party if they're indulgent, or you'll simply be kicked if they are not. You'll only be raw for as long as it takes for the party to REALIZE that you're raw. So, you've wasted the party's time, and not even succeeded at your goal.

While it's foolish to have any high expectations for the folks that sign on to Duty Finder, it's even more foolish to transform yourself into That One Guy on purpose. If you really want to experience content raw, there are two awesome, and pretty much universally acceptible ways to do it: get in on the content when it's fresh and new and EVERYONE is raw, or gather like-minded (or tolerant) players by using a Party Finder with your situation clearly spelled-out. The latter is particularly nice, as it's a good way to meet like-minded folks who will stick with you and who you can call upon for future raw excursions.

^ This. If I go into ex or coil in DF and see a 100 soldiery message, I'm asking who is new and explaining the fight. A raw experience is not something you can achieve via DF since someone will explain (or kick). I want to increase my chance of success so you'll get an explanation like it or not and I'm going to wish you'd looked it up a bit before hand as the act of me explaining it will cost the group roughly an extra attempt at something we may or may not down.

I respect wanting the fresh experience but that's best achieved via getting like minded individuals who won't spoil it for you. When I'm in DF I want us to have the maximum chance of success... So I probably wouldn't comply with someone's desire to see content blind and would explain.

[Sapphic]

^ This. If I go into ex or coil in DF and see a 100 soldiery message, I'm asking who is new and explaining the fight.

And what do you do when the new person doesnt say a thing. and/or does not understand a word of english even though they selected E in DF for "faster ques"? So ability to teach and coordinate is close to zero.

Yes it does happen, way too often.

[Kazumac]

And what do you do when the new person doesnt say a thing. and/or does not understand a word of english even though they selected E in DF for "faster ques"? So ability to teach and coordinate is close to zero.

Yes it does happen, way too often.

Simple, I'll try to communicate (in English) if it doesn't work or they don't respond, I'll remove them or remove myself. If they can't or won't communicate they don't need to be there or I don't need to spend my time there.

But that's how I handle it (ie personal choice, I don't hold others to that expectation), I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I certainly don't expect others to explain fights when I zone into DF. My post that you quoted was actually intended to be a refutation of the idea DF is a good way to experience a fight raw as lineage described it since the majority of the time some one will explain it or remove you defeating the raw experience.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Just... duty finder it.

I beat T5. Friend was like "lol lets pug t6/7 its easy." I said ok, I 1 shot both.

They're a joke, easier than Ramuh with the Nerfs.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

I've seen players in T5 DF saying they won't watch a video or a guide because it's only a game and not a job. It's annoying but let's face it, they pay a sub like me, so they are allowed to DF whatever they want.
In general, people are patient enough they explain the mechanics, and after the first wipe, we give even more information. If I see someone struggling with conflag ( especialy fireball), I tell them to hug me whatever it happens when they have the red mark.
I know it can be stressful, and even more when people start yelling at you because you have no experience. I also understand people who try to go trough T5 or Mog EX ( like me) and wipe again and again and again and finaly get mad. I have perosnnaly cleared all of this with my other character but I'm stucked with this one. I know the fights, but instead of kicking and raging, I take the time to explain again and again and again.
I rather have a party of newbies who keep trying than one made with "pros" who can't stand a single wipe because of an unexperienced player.

[Barboron]

It's annoying but let's face it, they pay a sub like me, so they are allowed to DF whatever they want.

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

[Krr]

And others also paying are entitled to kick those players and continue on ahead without them.

Ah yes, the legendary "difference in playstyle" option on the Vote Kick menu. I hear if you press up up down down left right left right A B Enter (or SELECT if you're a pad player) it will appear, and if you select it, a GM will teleport into the instance wielding a miscontextualized screenshot to endorse being a jerkbag with vote dismiss.