Thread: 3.0 & Weapons / Armor.

Originally Posted by Nalien

You can have multiple gear sets without in-combat gear swaps. Inventory space is the only issue (and the number of Gear Sets we can have I guess), but they could work it so certain stats are required for some content and not for others; PvP already achieves this even without Morale. Accuracy is an utterly worthless stat in PvP, while a certain amount is required in PvE. Do the same thing with Resistance stats and Primals; You "need" a certain amount of Fire Resistance to survive Ifrit. Just slap Primals with a special Materia reward for the aim of making one set of gear which resists all their elements (something like Mog could work of physical resistance stats since I don't think he has an actual element).

So you can only do content if you have the time to grind for a set of gear for each content, if you don't have the time you are, by all intents and purposes locked out. Good idea, lets lock out the majority of the playerbase from most of the content and see how long subs stay at the present rate.

Or what about those who play multiple jobs? Raid leader, oh we down a tank today, Sapphic, you have a geared tank, would ya mind? sure, Ive got the ilvl but dont have the exact gear needed as Ive been only able to get the gear for monk, so we can progress. Can you wait a month while I grind the gear so we can run the content tonight?

DF queues would get worse, as atm it is pretty easy to gear up a secondary job, aka tank that some, myself included, like to run content with other jobs. With your idea players would only be able to focus on their main job/role farming all these difference sets for each piece of content.

And you think it's a good idea? lol.

I don't care what FFXI did or didn't do, it is irrelevant, Why do you think players are playing FFXIV and NOT FFXI?

Bad idea is bad.

Originally Posted by Nalien

That would only happen if they decided to haphazardly implement it in the worst possible fashion as an afterthought rather than something from the very start.

Think better way is to make all secondary stats equal in usefullness, then you could build a set based on your playstyle. Eg a heavy crit set, a heavy skill/spell speed set etc Det and Crit weigh too high above the other secondary stats. Making skillspeed affect TP regen also for example so a gearset built around skillspeed and crit would be an alternative.

I remember there was mention of making speeds more desireable/useful in 3.0.

How we do loot in coil, We have our main job and we pick a secondary job that gets priority on repeat drops that the mains already have. Also I buy poetic BiS items for MNK first, then further poetic purchases will be for other jobs. Also BiS is subjective. Pushing turn 13 for example you need accuracy cap for that, for previous turns you dont need as much acc so if you are at that point of pushing you would already have gear to swap around for each turn. Same for content outside of FCoB. Would be a waste using 535 accuracy gear in experts for example

If you want to optimise for all content, horizontel progression is already there.

Originally Posted by Zumi

Speaking of armor in 3.0 they should add a back slot, for like capes and mantels, they don't have to be visible but it be fun to have another piece of gear. Back armor was in FFXI.

We had changeable (and statted) underclothes in 1.0 ^_^

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Think better way is to make all secondary stats equal in usefullness, then you could build a set based on your playstyle. Eg a heavy crit set, a heavy skill/spell speed set etc Det and Crit weigh too high above the other secondary stats. Making skillspeed affect TP regen also for example so a gearset built around skillspeed and crit would be an alternative.

I remember there was mention of making speeds more desireable/useful in 3.0.

You also need the content that makes those alternate sets viable. Without that it just becomes build BiS set and you are done statwise.

How we do loot in coil, We have our main job and we pick a secondary job that gets priority on repeat drops that the mains already have. Also I buy poetic BiS items for MNK first, then further poetic purchases will be for other jobs. Also BiS is subjective. Pushing turn 13 for example you need accuracy cap for that, for previous turns you dont need as much acc so if you are at that point of pushing you would already have gear to swap around for each turn. Same for content outside of FCoB. Would be a waste using 535 accuracy gear in experts for example

If you want to optimise for all content, horizontel progression is already there.

True, but outside FCoB, Frontlines, and farming DD/AV for relics there is no real reason to optimize. This is one of the main reasons I like ilevelsync. Content with it is no longer max ilevel gear fits all.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

You also need the content that makes those alternate sets viable. Without that it just becomes build BiS set and you are done statwise.

Which is why I iterated making all secondary stats equal in effectiveness, example, say I want to go full on skillspeed as MNK, with present weights I would be underperforming compared to at least a balanced set of det crit SS. If they were all equal I would be performing equally, just the dynamics would change due to faster reuse timers not the performance.

Originally Posted by Galliano

Somebody went a bit OTT enlarging those images. Here are my original edits.

Seeing that finally pushed me to go MNK XD <3 that design

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Which is why I iterated making all secondary stats equal in effectiveness, example, say I want to go full on skillspeed as MNK, with present weights I would be underperforming compared to at least a balanced set of det crit SS. If they were all equal I would be performing equally, just the dynamics would change due to faster reuse timers not the performance.

I suppose the only problem with something like this is that they would need to possibly make some changes to skill speed to have it increase TP regen. Otherwise a player whom did this would burn through all of his/her TP too quickly.

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Which is why I iterated making all secondary stats equal in effectiveness, example, say I want to go full on skillspeed as MNK, with present weights I would be underperforming compared to at least a balanced set of det crit SS. If they were all equal I would be performing equally, just the dynamics would change due to faster reuse timers not the performance.



Seeing that finally pushed me to go MNK XD <3 that design

Yeah it looks awesome! I may even gear MNK as a second class after DRG. Still loving the DRG af2 the most though and the teaser trailer made me want it even more!

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Which is why I iterated making all secondary stats equal in effectiveness, example, say I want to go full on skillspeed as MNK, with present weights I would be underperforming compared to at least a balanced set of det crit SS. If they were all equal I would be performing equally, just the dynamics would change due to faster reuse timers not the performance.

That just causes things to slip into an "any piece no mater what secondaries it has will give the same benefit" mentality.

For a pure Skillspeed set to be preferable the content needs to place importance on number of attacks made so that more attacks equals better even if they deal less damage.