Why no further Echo on T9?

[ZhycranaDranix]

Shouts at SE: Make T9 Easier SE.

*Implements ECHO....

-Still Can't Clear

Shouts at SE again : EASIER!

[RaquelleAvarosa]

I would actually like to have 20% Echo though, makes farming faster~

[AdamFyi]

I don't like how all these "last turn gates" are more about playing with the same people all the time, and your level of communication, than actually being good at your job/dodging mechanics.

I've managed to help many new groups clear T5 on the Party Finder. Most of the time I've met with completely new people and players trying out different roles, and we've managed to get there with "some" problems (wipes still happened; we were aiming for clears). However, I can say for sure that you can clear any raid as long as you keep going even if you have to cycle around the players. I wouldn't mind the extra Echo though!

[Pterois]

In all honesty i have noticed that the difficultly with not being in a static is not just dps checks, dodging and knowing where to but its about teamwork. You can be the baddest mother on the field but you alone cannot beat a single turn. You have to know the person next to you and what they need to do and if they screw up how you can cover them while they pick themselves back up. In fact you need to know everyones roll and how they will react, and how your entire team moves as one.

This is what being in a static is about, and this is also why you get into some pugs and people who have been running these fights for awhile move with purpose as if the person next to them is someone they have ran with for tons of fights. 8 years in the Navy taught me this trait because it works the same way there, you need to know what the guy above you and below you does so you can take over at any given time. Also not being in a static myself currently trying to clear t7 (trying to do them in order still even tho i can go in t9 already) has shown me this. Echo will buff the "helping people back up part" but in the end you need that "flow" if you are to ever beat scob and on.

[Deathscythe343]

Increasing the echo may not be their first option when dealing with T9. They may choose to alter some of the mechanics similar to what they did with the previous turns prior to adjusting the echo.

[ZhycranaDranix]

You have to know the person next to you and what they need to do and if they screw up how you can cover them .

In all honesty I've pugged T9 so many times even to the 10 clear achievement with different groups.....
I've even pugged all the way to T12 ? I'm not even in a static and I'm on p3 of T13.....


So no Ill have do disagreeeee

[Craiger]

I've managed to help many new groups clear T5 on the Party Finder. Most of the time I've met with completely new people and players trying out different roles, and we've managed to get there with "some" problems (wipes still happened; we were aiming for clears). However, I can say for sure that you can clear any raid as long as you keep going even if you have to cycle around the players. I wouldn't mind the extra Echo though!

Yeah, I'll get there eventually, I'm just fearing Final Coil won't give me as much when I finally do clear it When people are walking around in full 130 gear from CT drops...

Also, I don't mean T5 at the moment, cause you need no communication to beat that... You just have to know where to stand, be able to dodge, and that's about it. T5 Was a gate before, even though it was much better than T9 is now... T5 have been out for over a year now....

[Craiger]

In all honesty I've pugged T9 so many times even to the 10 clear achievement with different groups.....
I've even pugged all the way to T12 ? I'm not even in a static and I'm on p3 of T13.....


So no Ill have do disagreeeee

Really? You most be really lucky then... If the groups I'm in get to P3 in T9, they are happy, even if we wiped 10 second into it....

EDIT: I do also disagree though... Cause at least for T9, if everyone just performed well on their jobs (decent DPS/HPS and a decent Tank), and payed attention to the mechanics (memorize them), then you could actually beat it relatively easy. But since that doesn't happen, you usually have to be in a static and use voicecom...

[RickXRolled]

Did you read my post? I just said it won't help my group (I'm doing pretty good) with the dodging mechanics, but it will help with the DPS, which is also a problem.

10% echo to get past DPS check, yes that's enough IMO, and I'm usually on the top or second in DPS (BLM), so there should be no problem, but you should check out the DPS people get there... Even without the Echo, those numbers are low.

That is a player problem. The game tries to ease up on things for those who struggle, but you still need to somewhat know how to play your job.(Looking at you 174 dps ninjas)

[Kuskoo]

its easy if not easier with the buff, if they're gonna nerf anything in that fight it should be the divebomb marker >_>
any higher buff is uneeded overkill like t5 and meh its the players from that point.
just 1 fixed spot for divebombs please D: due to me and all others getting them wrong >_> i cause 1/3 of wipes cause if there isn't an expert doin it.