Why no further Echo on T9?

[Coatl]

When I beat both T5 and T9 I felt accomplished, but I also felt lucky. I knew that it would not have been possible had I not found the seven other competent and patient players that also needed their clears. Before then a friend of mine who had already cleared T9 was trying to convince some players in his T9 farm Linkshell to help me and my friend out with one clear, but they really, really don't like running T9 with people who don't already have it on farm. Of course there are some helpful FCs that will help you meet them halfway, you just have to find them.

There are "farm" parties for t9 with 5 dps that can't do 3 meteors. *shudders* Groups like that don't stand a chance in helk of beating fcob's dps checks.

Ehhh there are some pretty bad players in the T9 farms that I've been in. DPS that are doing 100 less than me when I play bard, healers who are at 2k MP by the start of phase two. You really don't have to be a hotshot to farm T9, just don't get anyone else killed and you're golden pretty much.

As most have said already while T10 is mechanically simpler, it's a lot more punishing overall. Though I feel once we start overgearing the content by 10-20 item levels T10 will lose most of what made it hard, which was its tight gear/skill check.

[Mature]

A lot of big headed kids and pro wannabes around this thread.... They also forget when they started learning T5 + T9...... there are alot skilful people out there without static so dont underestimate their gameplay.

[Sanguisio]

imo the dps checks on t9 shouldnt be a problem providing you have the gear in the last few patches.

The main thing is the mechanics, e.g I know lots of grps will wipe to DBs because you cant just run to a ditch. You cant just up the echo bonus because in this fight it wont make a difference.

[razzgrizz3]

well op you got your echo
now surely you will clear t9
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hahahahahaahahaha

[Its_Elodie]

I just recently downed T8 this last week. T5 was a pain though and I had problems finding a group that could do it. The echo was nice to be able to handle the dps checks and give the party a nice boost, but the dodging and positioning mechanics are there for a reason. These aren't meant to be easy fights, this is end game material. I haven't attempted T9 yet, but we are already getting a little spoiled with echo, if they take away all the mechanics of the fight there won't be anything left and it will just be an empty, fluff-filled win. I want some stuff to say a little difficult so I can use that as a bridge to know I'm capable of the next available raid content. Titan has been the same way for awhile now too. There may be an echo to help you, but you still need to be able to dodge, dodgy connections or not. Though I bet at some point they'll probably make the mechanics of T9 a little more forgiving to push people onwards in content, like they've been doing

[gorezilla1]

The fact of the matter is that raids are not for everyone. There are hard-core and casual players. You can take offense to a form of labeling but it's just what it is. If you not willing to put in a certain level of effort and make some sacrifices (even if it is periodically meeting up with 7 other people), you would be considered casual. If that's the case, you'll have to wait until they ease the raids. Right now raids are made to test team work and efficiency. It difficult to do with a rotating cast of characters. That is why after they become repeatable, the mechanics are also made easier. Now you complain about feeling as though you're being forced into a static. Have no fear. In the expansion, they will be releasing normal mode raid with should satisfy your itch. If you would Like to satisfy the hard mode itch, I would at that point recommend a static.

[Sessurea]

t9 is just mechanics. Get them sorted and you're safe home. Anyone doing correct rotations will be fine for it.

In fact the inflated ilvl and echo cushions dps a bit too much. T10 is a reality check , since u do it in recommended ilvl and w/o echo.

[LunarEmerald]

It's around 2050 to kill it with a couple of seconds before enrage. However Meteor on 4 adds (around 65-80k damage depending on your party's weapons) contributes a hefty chunk to the party's overall dps.

Also bear in mind that most people solo tank T9. Nothing in final coil can be solo tanked.

That's why I said 3 meteors with 4 dps.