An open discsusion on the consequences of death

[Betelgeuzah]

You can't compare a single player game with an MMO in this way. Your comparison is invalid.

Why couldn't I? If you can't even name a reason why this comparison doesn't apply, that doesn't make it invalid. I can see that you are out of logic's reach however.

[Nephera]

Gear being destroyed at 0% probably wouldnt take many items out of the economy because people rarely ever let their gear hit 0% in a system like that.

it does provide a looming threat and want to survive though.

[Chogokin]

I generally agree with everyone that it doesn't feel like there's any reason not to die, however if the penalty became too harsh, wouldn't that discourage people from trying more stars on their levequests? (Not that there seems to be a huge reason to do that as it stands anyhow.....)

With regards to return becoming free is that really needed? Travel is already pretty easy in the game, feels less epic(and/or difficult) than in XI.

[Betelgeuzah]

And honestly from reading most of the pages here, no one is ready for any amount of challenge.

Because only with a DP can the content be challenging.

Stupidity runs rampart today.

[Luluna]

Anyone who wants the death exp loss a mage? I am not one but i know a few who would be level 10 again real quick because of the hate they pull when curing, enfeebling, buffs etc >.<

[Choc]

Anyone who wants the death exp loss a mage? I am not one but i know a few who would be level 10 again real quick because of the hate they pull when curing, enfeebling, buffs etc >.<

Yes I am, I dont exactly "want" an sp loss upon death change, but I wouldnt mind it. I just want there to be some sort of challenge/risk/danger involved in this game.

[Akumu]

Yes I am, I dont exactly "want" an sp loss upon death change, but I wouldnt mind it. I just want there to be some sort of challenge/risk/danger involved in this game.

That comes with content and not by adding xp loss.

The minority that does want it fail to realize that what they want will deter a lot of players. Time sinks does not add a challenge. Paranoia came packaged in with xp loss for XI which just made people sit on the edge with the bashing stick.

[Ava]

That comes with content and not by adding xp loss.

The minority that does want it fail to realize that what they want will deter a lot of players. Time sinks does not add a challenge. Paranoia came packaged in with xp loss for XI which just made people sit on the edge with the bashing stick.

I agree.

Usually when you ask someone that didn't play XI what they know about the game. They'll usually say something along the lines of "is that the game where you lose exp when you die?" or "is that the game you cant solo level?". These two things were probably the two biggest deterrents in XI. Adding a severe death penalty would not be taking steps in the right direction right now.

[trinta]

That comes with content and not by adding xp loss.

The minority that does want it fail to realize that what they want will deter a lot of players. Time sinks does not add a challenge. Paranoia came packaged in with xp loss for XI which just made people sit on the edge with the bashing stick.

I honestly question whether they fail to realize it. I think they want most players to be deterred, on the basis that they're "terrible", or "noobs", that they want the majority of the MMO community to stick with games that are already popular.

The psychotic elitism really is shining through on this topic today.

[Jibe]

Yoshi, your idea seems a little weak, we need a harsher death penalty. IMO.