Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
455 was just a guess; 451 is a no, 457 is a yes, so somewhere in between. Another way without rapid synthesis is 2x PbP, CSII, INGII+3xCSII I think. It's far from necessary, but it does open up another option.

As far as control, no real reason to go past 407 currently, it would take a ton of it to make any real difference.
That's what I do and prefer it to relying on rng.