paladin relic

[Truedragon]

I'm a MT. Yes I stance dance when appropriate. Why are you comparing a PLD to a MNK? Yes, DPS is important. Pushing 4 Bennu is important, pushing 4 Flattens helps a ton.

I measure tanks by DPS because what else is there for a tank to do? Rotate CDs, execute mechanics and DPS.

Going from 100 dps to 200 dps is 60-78k damage per turn. Every 10 DPS is cutting 3 seconds off of a FCoB kill, so yes every member contributing an extra 10+ is important. There is a reason why SCH DPS is so important to fights like 12 and 13, same is true of good tanks stance dancing as much as possible and stacking STR/DET as much as possible. Parrying another Auto Attack is not saving the raid, skipping a boss action or pushing a phase can make a world of difference.

Fair enough but you seem to be missing the point. One does not go from 100 dps to 200 dps with 20/30 or 40 CRIT or DET. The actual amount of dps increase from that tiny bit of CRIT or DET is insignificant. That is the whole point.

One goes from 100 to 200 with strength accessories. Not from c tier stats like crit or det.

[SirTaint]

Fair enough but you seem to be missing the point. One does not go from 100 dps to 200 dps with 20/30 or 40 CRIT or DET. The actual amount of dps increase from that tiny bit of CRIT or DET is insignificant. That is the whole point.

One goes from 100 to 200 with strength accessories. Not from c tier stats like crit or det.

Agree with that. Just the 100 basis was really light. Even in full VIT Shield oath only 170 is a baseline with an i115 weapon.

[monochromicorn]

Some people seem to be forgetting that aggro is based off damage, the less damage, the less agro, tank stance or no. I'm going to be puthing full det on sword and shield, and I'm leaning towards parry unless I don't like the change they make to it.we will have to see.

And I would completely redo the relic from zenith if you can't change stats on the 125.

[AngusHH]

Best option for now is 44 ACC/31 DET????

[Reynhart]

One goes from 100 to 200 with strength accessories. Not from c tier stats like crit or det.

No one said that you can't use STR accessories AND an offensive relic.
Each secondary stat give only a slight boost, be it parry, det or crit. Except parry seems to be the slightest of these slight boosts, since it doesn't affect block rate, and you can't parry magical attacks.

And I would completely redo the relic from zenith if you can't change stats on the 125.

Apparently, you can, don't worry

[Ashkendor]

That is ofc assuming that your dps jumps through the roof by melding CRIT and DET on your novus...which in reality, it isnt.

Or it's people that just want to optimize. I'll take a small increase in DPS over wasted points any day. Add to that the fact that the more damage I do, the more hate I generate. It seems like it'd be a good idea, no?

Most paladins do around 100 dps. So if you get a 1% increase in dps from those stats which you probably won't, you effectively increased your dps by 1 point from 100 to 101.

100 DPS seems like a really lowball estimate. I'm usually around 160-170 and I'm using all VIT stuff (no ruby, etc).

Since when is 200 dps high? My mnk does more than 500. Thats more than twice your output. You wanna dips, ditch your heavy gear and go melee.

Nobody in this thread (or anywhere else, for that matter) has said that a PLD is going to out-dps a MNK, just like nobody would ever say a MNK could out-tank a PLD. We play different roles in the fight, but we're both hitting the same boss. Why get mad that the PLD wants to do more damage since they have to be hitting the boss anyway? I would think that everyone would want the mob to die faster. Do you also think healers should refrain from DPS'ing when the situation permits and should stick 100% to healing?

I think you are missing the point of the conversation entirely. Even if I take your word for it, that you are the greatest paladin alive who can easily output 200 dps. If you gain a 1% increase, your output goes to 202 dps. Congratulations! You just gained a 2 whole dps points.

If you gain a 1% increase, your output goes to 505 DPS. Congratulations! You just gained a whole 5 DPS points.

Sorry, but a 1% increase is pretty miniscule no matter who you're talking about.

[Reynhart]

Sorry, but a 1% increase is pretty miniscule no matter who you're talking about.

Yet every DPS will probably tell you that full Det/Crit changed their life

[Dante_V]

If 3 statting I would do Det > Parry > Acc personally. But it\\'s up to you. I personally think parry is more of a return than crit if you are raiding in the long run. Survivability is the essence of tanking and you and your other tank are effectively the only party members assigned the role of provoking and mitigating incoming damage. So while every party member can dps, not all can tank.

The greater the damage mitigation on the tanks, the less demand for healing on them which means allowing the healer to heal someone else who might be dying or even dps for a hot minute. I feel like the potential team dps is greater with a mitigation stat tank in a raid situation and allows for more flexibility in strategy and practice.
IMO the returns in crit are minuscule in the grand scheme of things in regards to tanking in a raid. But do what ever you like. If you don\\'t like it you can go back and change it until it suits your needs. That\\'s what makes the relics quality investments.

[Truedragon]

typical ignorance from posters ignoring their way into life. Reynhart, listen buddy.

1% increase for a DPS is different than a 1% increase for a tank. First of all, a dps has naturally higher deeps than you. Thats why people told you repeatedly in the face that you are NOT a dps and that you are secretly a dps wannabe. Do you know what these words mean at all.

DET has a better weighted stat for dps. For MNK and DRG, 3 det equals 1 strength. That is NOT the case for tanks. You are talking about 5-6 DET for 1 Strength.

Second of all, DPS has natural high STR coz their gear is geared with towards STR bonus. That is again, not the case for tanks. So even if you pump up your str with penta melded accessories, your str will still be lower than a DPS. Thats why your dps is SOOOO MUCH LOWEEEERRRR than dps output from melees.

third, a 1% dps increase is MINISCULE. And yet, that is probably what we are talking about if we get 31 DET on the novus. Its downright pathetic. So even if you use strength accessories buffed up with your det melds, you would still only be 1% higher than the guy who uses just strength accessories. But if you think 202 is so much better than 200, than by all means go use DET.

I do not need your opinions on what you think is right. I need facts and math. If you want to meld det on your novus, go ahead and do so.

[SpookyGhost]

Know what else is minuscule?

Parry.

Secondary stats are minuscule. Accuracy is the only one that ever matters. Can we please accept this? Pretty please?