paladin relic

[Donjo]

SS doesn't make your run out of TP, long fights do. I'm not recommending SS but there is a big misconception about its TP usage. We are talking 2 GCDs early with a full SS build. Your melee will have issues earlier then you are which will result in a Goad rotation or paeon.

Actually, a PLD who goes completely ham without using Shield Swipe once will run out of TP in approximately 2:35 of full uptime(it's easy for this to happen while being an OT), give or take 5 seconds or so. This is faster than melee classes, who all have Invigorate to extend their max full uptime to about 4 minutes or so. Diligently using Shield Swipe will naturally extend uptime, but its benefits are variable since it's linked to Block.

Either way, that sentence was meant to be amusing more than anything else. You're right in that it won't decrease full uptime that much, but Skill Speed still differs from the other Secondary Stats in that being out of TP completely removes its benefit to your damage.

[SirTaint]

Actually, a PLD who goes completely ham without using Shield Swipe once will run out of TP in approximately 2:35 of full uptime(it's easy for this to happen while being an OT), give or take 5 seconds or so. This is faster than melee classes, who all have Invigorate to extend their max full uptime to about 4 minutes or so. Diligently using Shield Swipe will naturally extend uptime, but its benefits are variable since it's linked to Block.

Either way, that sentence was meant to be amusing more than anything else. You're right in that it won't decrease full uptime that much, but Skill Speed still differs from the other Secondary Stats in that being out of TP completely removes its benefit to your damage.

I think we are saying the same thing. Its 2:35 in a normal build and 2:30 in a SS build. (aprox 2 GCDs) With that said its rare to have TP problems on PLD and I use ~430 SS.

[Donjo]

I think we are saying the same thing. Its 2:35 in a normal build and 2:30 in a SS build. (aprox 2 GCDs) With that said its rare to have TP problems on PLD and I use ~430 SS.

I was arguing your point of "melee will have issues earlier than you do [with TP]" by stating that we'll run out of TP a minute and a half faster than TP using DPS if uptime is established for that long.

[SirTaint]

I was arguing your point of "melee will have issues earlier than you do [with TP]" by stating that we'll run out of TP a minute and a half faster than TP using DPS if uptime is established for that long.

I've never tested how long it takes for me to run out of TP but I'm never first. Even in T8 I run out the same time as our MNK.

[Donjo]

I've never tested how long it takes for me to run out of TP but I'm never first. Even in T8 I run out the same time as our MNK.

Well, yeah, that depends on uptime. You get free TP while brainjacked, for example, and MTing allows you to Shield Swipe if you're a Pally. I was just talking straight burn with no Shield Swipe.

But now we're kind of off topic, aren't we? Long story short is that you won't get much benefit or disadvantage if you put Skill Speed on a Novus. Might as well stick with Acc/Crit/Det/Parry