paladin relic

[Reynhart]

Sorry, but a 1% increase is pretty miniscule no matter who you're talking about.

Yet every DPS will probably tell you that full Det/Crit changed their life

[SpookyGhost]

Outside of reaching ACC cap, secondary stats don't matter.

Anyway, re: "dps wannabes" I'd like to take a moment to educate everyone that believes that tank DPS is trivial and doesn't matter.

So, there's this thing called "group DPS" - it's the sum total of the DPS output by the entire party over the course of the fight per second. As an easy example, if we take a 2 man party of a MNK who does 500 DPS and a PLD who does 100 DPS, that's 600 DPS total. Now, let's say the MNK got an upgrade that increased his DPS by 10. That brings the group DPS up to 610 - which I think everyone agrees is an upgrade from 600. Let's take a look at the same scenario, but with the PLD getting an upgrade and gaining 10 DPS and the MNK remaining at 500 DPS. 600 + 10 = 610.

The thing that everyone who didn't already know has learned from this is that an increase in DPS from the tanks is the same as an increase of DPS from the DDs. Whether you like it or not, to hold hate you need to hit the boss. While you're hitting the boss, you're dealing damage. The more damage you do while hitting the boss, the higher your group's overall DPS becomes.

Most mechanics in this game thus far rely on moderate to heavy DPS checks. Having as much group DPS as possible in order to meet these checks is very important in progression, so everyone that's weapons are touching the boss should try and output as much DPS as they can afford to. DD jobs simply focus on DPSing, but tanks rely on a balancing act of VIT and STR.

Crit, Det, and Parry are all drops in the ocean. Determination probably scales the best of the 3, which is why I think if you're going to stack any secondary stat it should be that. Crit is a minor increase to an already RNG based stat, as is Parry. Accuracy is a necessary stat, but it does have a cut off point depending on the content you're doing wherein any stat past that point would be better than more Accuracy.

All in all, meld your Relic however you want. Yoshi-P mentioned a change to Parry in the future so Parry could very well be a worthwhile investment. Determination will never let you down as it is purely a linear upgrade in STR, no RNG involved. Crit is in the same boat as Parry is atm, but with damage. They're all minimal increases in DPS/survivability, so pick your poison.

[monochromicorn]

Some people seem to be forgetting that aggro is based off damage, the less damage, the less agro, tank stance or no. I'm going to be puthing full det on sword and shield, and I'm leaning towards parry unless I don't like the change they make to it.we will have to see.

And I would completely redo the relic from zenith if you can't change stats on the 125.

[Reynhart]

One goes from 100 to 200 with strength accessories. Not from c tier stats like crit or det.

No one said that you can't use STR accessories AND an offensive relic.
Each secondary stat give only a slight boost, be it parry, det or crit. Except parry seems to be the slightest of these slight boosts, since it doesn't affect block rate, and you can't parry magical attacks.

And I would completely redo the relic from zenith if you can't change stats on the 125.

Apparently, you can, don't worry

[AngusHH]

Best option for now is 44 ACC/31 DET????

[Dante_V]

If 3 statting I would do Det > Parry > Acc personally. But it\\'s up to you. I personally think parry is more of a return than crit if you are raiding in the long run. Survivability is the essence of tanking and you and your other tank are effectively the only party members assigned the role of provoking and mitigating incoming damage. So while every party member can dps, not all can tank.

The greater the damage mitigation on the tanks, the less demand for healing on them which means allowing the healer to heal someone else who might be dying or even dps for a hot minute. I feel like the potential team dps is greater with a mitigation stat tank in a raid situation and allows for more flexibility in strategy and practice.
IMO the returns in crit are minuscule in the grand scheme of things in regards to tanking in a raid. But do what ever you like. If you don\\'t like it you can go back and change it until it suits your needs. That\\'s what makes the relics quality investments.

[Truedragon]

typical ignorance from posters ignoring their way into life. Reynhart, listen buddy.

1% increase for a DPS is different than a 1% increase for a tank. First of all, a dps has naturally higher deeps than you. Thats why people told you repeatedly in the face that you are NOT a dps and that you are secretly a dps wannabe. Do you know what these words mean at all.

DET has a better weighted stat for dps. For MNK and DRG, 3 det equals 1 strength. That is NOT the case for tanks. You are talking about 5-6 DET for 1 Strength.

Second of all, DPS has natural high STR coz their gear is geared with towards STR bonus. That is again, not the case for tanks. So even if you pump up your str with penta melded accessories, your str will still be lower than a DPS. Thats why your dps is SOOOO MUCH LOWEEEERRRR than dps output from melees.

third, a 1% dps increase is MINISCULE. And yet, that is probably what we are talking about if we get 31 DET on the novus. Its downright pathetic. So even if you use strength accessories buffed up with your det melds, you would still only be 1% higher than the guy who uses just strength accessories. But if you think 202 is so much better than 200, than by all means go use DET.

I do not need your opinions on what you think is right. I need facts and math. If you want to meld det on your novus, go ahead and do so.

[SpookyGhost]

Know what else is minuscule?

Parry.

Secondary stats are minuscule. Accuracy is the only one that ever matters. Can we please accept this? Pretty please?

[Reynhart]

Second of all, DPS has natural high STR coz their gear is geared with towards STR bonus. That is again, not the case for tanks.

It seems I'm not the only "ignorant" one. Or you didn't even realize that tank and DPS gear always have the exact same amount of Strength and Vitality ?

As for "weigth", maybe you forget that higher damage equals higher enmity, and we need as much enmity as we can so we need less Flash for group pulls (So we can do more damage), or changing oath without losing enmity, thus gaining 25% DPS compared to our "usual" output. And since our multipliers are at least 3, and frequently 5 (or higher), the weigth of DET for tank regarding enmity is higher than the weight for DPS regarding damage output.

And...finally...its just stupid to disregard the damage output of tanks. Are you afraid that we'll steal your "toy" ?

[Donjo]

Know what else is minuscule?

Parry.

Secondary stats are minuscule. Accuracy is the only one that ever matters. Can we please accept this? Pretty please?

Yes. Agree with this. This is correct. SE wants us to be able to choose whatever secondary stats we want, aside from Accuracy, and still succeed.