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    Why Garuda is applied to melee accuracy?

    I cant understand it. Garuda is caster, Ifrit is melee. But garuda is applied melee accuracy now.
    So SMN need more accuracy ~20 than BLM. This is connected with a bit dps loss.
    And now in 2.4 most of ironworks and dreadwyrm have too many Spellspeed. Known stat weights as follows:

    BLM WD: 6.625; INT: 1; CRT: 0.215; DET: 0.283; SS: 0.24

    SMN WD: 6.57; INT: 1; CRT: 0.211; DET: 0.283; SS: 0.094

    BLM is OK. But SS is really useless for SMN. I replaced SS with Piety, use 110HQ melding to solve SMN's MP issue.
    24 piety give me that dummy battle timers increasing 5min -> 6min.
    Why Garuda is only applied SMN's Acc?
    I think that SS apply to SMN's Pet. Then SMN's SS is more efficiency than now.
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    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    the BIS pieces for SMN have more than enough ACC so there is no need to complain about it.
    Yes it is silly for a caster pet to use melee acc cap, but meh.
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    Aislin Delhir
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    Saying it's just "meh" is vastly underselling the point. In current endgame, SMN is the least valuable, and the reasons why are pretty baffling design choices.

    By the way, did you realize the BiS pieces are only the BiS because they give you enough ACC? You would have different BiS if you could hit a lower ACC cap. Also, SS is useless, and even counter-productive. Current endgame caster gear is not a help to SMN. That plus the baffling design choices make it pretty lame.

    It's also mind blowing that SE is so against having a dps meter in the game, then add junk gear to make sure you farm both poetics and Final Coil, and then give you no tool to discern which gear is junk. Thanks, SE!
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    Kuroyasha Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiruke View Post
    .... Current endgame caster gear is not a help to SMN....
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OURQ Pretty sure that gear will help smn, even with 4 pieces having spell speed on them. Still have 523 crit, 320 det, which isnt bad at all, on top of the increased int/vit/ weapon dmg. Ofc, spell speed on smn weapon always makes me laugh, but the final coil book is the strongest book and certainly is a help. It's not that bad(outside of weap, that's just cruel lol). SMNs beat final coil too.

    As for OP, b/c reasons.
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    Garuda's damage are physical, so her attacks are ruled by physical (not melee) accuracy cap, for example if you try to auto-attack with your smn/blm, you'll have some misses until you're capped !
    Btw the Bard is ruled by front/flank/back accuracy rules, and it's probably the same with garuda, so try to keep her at the back of the boss and you'll probably miss less.

    Oh, and do you know if she only misses her "basic attacks" or her Contagion can miss too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroyasha View Post
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OURQ Pretty sure that gear will help smn, even with 4 pieces having spell speed on them. Still have 523 crit, 320 det, which isnt bad at all, on top of the increased int/vit/ weapon dmg. Ofc, spell speed on smn weapon always makes me laugh, but the final coil book is the strongest book and certainly is a help. It's not that bad(outside of weap, that's just cruel lol). SMNs beat final coil too.

    As for OP, b/c reasons.
    hey. why do you trying to final coil? maybe it is clearing to Turn 13, isnt it? so do i.
    then you should to delete T13 gear in ur mind.
    as a result SMN's pre-Bis is http://goo.gl/CpU8j8 till T12.
    you can see 6 pieces SS gears and SS gonna the sky.
    it is clear that IL close to 130, gap with another caster 'BLM' is increased.
    yes, right. that Dreadwyrm Book is great. but next? after u get it, what will you do?
    we are waiting to new contents in next spring. but level cap increase to 60, so u can use that great book to just leveling.

    If it seems like sharp words, sry about it.
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    Last edited by OdKrys; 12-13-2014 at 09:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdKrys View Post
    hey. why do you trying to final coil? maybe it is clearing to Turn 13, isnt it? so do i.
    then you should to delete T13 gear in ur mind.
    as a result SMN's pre-Bis is http://goo.gl/CpU8j8 till T12.
    you can see 6 pieces SS gears and SS gonna the sky.
    it is clear that IL close to 130, gap with another caster 'BLM' is increased.
    yes, right. that Dreadwyrm Book is great. but next? after u get it, what will you do?
    we are waiting to new contents in next spring. but level cap increase to 60, so u can use that great book to just leveling.

    If it seems like sharp words, sry about it.
    I think relic weapon is still better than Dreadwyrm even if you lose one weapon damage.
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    Ephier Samoht
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I think relic weapon is still better than Dreadwyrm even if you lose one weapon damage.
    You lose 2 weapon damage, and no it is not better.

    WD 6.570
    CRIT .211
    DET .283

    Dreadwyrm: 11.183(crit)+57(int)+13.14(2 extra WD)=81.323 int total

    Relic: 10.339(crit)+51(int)+10.188(det)=71.527 int total

    I did not even calculate the spell speed into the dreadwyrm book to prove a point. Do not underestimate weapon damage or base stats in the from the upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    You lose 2 weapon damage.
    Relic weapon is 80 weapon damage and poetic is 81 and does not give u crit.

    EDIT: I just noticed we are talking about 135 weapon that is 2 weapon damage better than relic .. I agree that weapon is better. Just messed up. I mean relic is better than 130 poetic weapon.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 12-14-2014 at 07:47 PM.

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    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Rumina Asou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ejell View Post
    Garuda's damage are physical, so her attacks are ruled by physical (not melee) accuracy cap, for example if you try to auto-attack with your smn/blm, you'll have some misses until you're capped !
    Btw the Bard is ruled by front/flank/back accuracy rules, and it's probably the same with garuda, so try to keep her at the back of the boss and you'll probably miss less.

    Oh, and do you know if she only misses her "basic attacks" or her Contagion can miss too?
    garudas attack is not physical. it gets boosted by foes.
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