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  1. #1
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    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70

    Best standard WAR opener as MT?

    I've been doing ...

    (pre-pull Infuriate > Unchained > Berserk) > Tomahawk > HS > IR > Maim > Brutal Swing > SE > HS > SS > BB > IB > Fracture (Pacification)

    Typically it holds against anything minus a PLD critting RoH. Definitely higher damage than say Tomahawk > BB combo > BB combo, but the part up to the second HS is where aggro can be tricky against optimal BRD/PLD/DRG/BLM openers, which case I've been using Second Wind after SE for an aggro burst. Is there something that's more damage with possible other benefits?
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    Gildarts's Avatar
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    Rozaria Eleanor
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Culinarian Lv 60
    Tomahawk>HS>Unchained>Maim>Zerk>SE>IR>HS>X-pot>SS>BB>HS>IB>MAIM>SE>Fracture

    is what i do
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  3. #3
    Player
    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gildarts View Post
    Tomahawk>HS>Unchained>Maim>Zerk>SE>IR>HS>X-pot>SS>BB>HS>IB>MAIM>SE>Fracture

    is what i do
    I find in a raid scenario doing both an unbuffed Tomahawk and going directly into SE combo will result in a likely aggro loss to a certain chunk of the cast, but then again my WAR is slightly less geared than who I play with.
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    LichKaiser's Avatar
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    Lich Kaiser
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Bloodbath+unchained-tomahawk-heavy swing-brutal swing-skull sunder-barseker-butcher block-internal release-heavy swing-maim-s. Path or eye(depending on situation and if a ninja applied his debuff)-butcher combo-fracture. During the butchers i usualy do inner beast.
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    Last edited by LichKaiser; 12-16-2014 at 12:42 AM.

  5. #5
    Player
    Gildarts's Avatar
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    Rozaria Eleanor
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    I find in a raid scenario doing both an unbuffed Tomahawk and going directly into SE combo will result in a likely aggro loss to a certain chunk of the cast, but then again my WAR is slightly less geared than who I play with.
    tbh never had problem with it at all
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    Revisited's Avatar
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    Character
    Arowyn Felendrene
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    I like to:
    Tomahawk > BB combo > Foresight> HS > Bloodbath > Maim > Vengeance > SE > Unchained > HS > Berserk > SS > IR > BB > BB combo > IB > Infuriate > IB > Brutal Swing (if it isn't needed elsewhere) > Fracture > Pacification

    I can usually coast after that and focus on dps or debuffing. Sometimes i get double IB crits and it makes me fuzzy.
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  7. #7
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    PenelopeWinn's Avatar
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    Character
    Penelope Do'urden
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 60
    I am probably the laziest war ever,
    my opener generally depends on who i am playing with ( for example my brd friend is just as lazy as i and dosnt always pop quelling. )

    Infuriate > Tamahawk > unchained > HS > Berserk > SS > IR > BB > Blood bath just because i can> BB combo till pacified.
    and by then im so far ahead that i can start caring about my buffs and debuffs, or just take a nap.

    Not optimal in any way =P
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  8. #8
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    Milleus's Avatar
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    Character
    Milleus Vionnet
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    Masamune
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    infuriate > unchained > berserk > tomahawk > BB rotation.
    pop some off gcd cooldowns in between BB rotation, internal release, brutal swing, etc.

    with 1 BB rotation in it's really reaally reaaalllly difficult to lose initial aggro.
    after which you can do whatever you like..
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  9. #9
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    Character
    Robin Ster
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    You guys really miss out if you unchained/zerk before you get into the pull and don't get up maim around the same time you zerk.

    Infuriate->Tomahawk -> HS ->Unchained -> Maim -> Zerk -> SE -> 2x BB rotation -> IB -> pacified.
    I tend to brutal swing right before I heavy swing in the GCD of Tomahawk and Pop internal release before my first skull sunder.
    That's two fully buffed BB combos, no one catches up.

    The only time I have hate issues opening with SE is a tank does his hate combo in before SE somewhere. Sometimes Ninjas can be scary but they don't tend to pull. If I'm worried that might happen I tomahawk -> BB combo then do the SE+unchained+zerk rotation after that. Or you could go BB->SE->BB with the buffs in the first BB...but it feels inefficient.
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    Last edited by Rbstr; 12-16-2014 at 05:25 AM.

  10. #10
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    SirTaint's Avatar
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    Character
    Sir Taint
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 50
    Overwhelm is less TP and more emnity when compared to tomahawk.

    Overwelm > brutal swing > Heavy swing
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