Art for Gil: Against TOS?

[Devils_Lawyer]

A player can send any amount of gil he/she chooses to anyone for any reason so yes this would be allowed.

What ISNT allowed in regards to the TOS is to demand real life money for ingame services regardless what they are.

[Shadray]

What about real life items which can easily be converted back to cash?

Or paying someone Gil to buy the paperclip I just put on eBay for £20?

[Devils_Lawyer]

What about real life items which can easily be converted back to cash?

Or paying someone Gil to buy the paperclip I just put on eBay for £20?

Thing is, TOS basicly says that you cannot demand real money to provide ingame services to players, nor are you allowed to pay real money for a ingame advantage (in this case it would be refered to as buying gil).

But if YOU make a desicion to offer money to someone if they carry you thru something then aslong as you dont connect those 2 things by shouting in ingame chat how you just payed 20 dollars to get a primal carry you should be fine.

[LineageRazor]

Highly entertained that a character named "Devils Lawyer" is participating in this thread. Moreso that they're advising "don't ask, don't tell".

But yeah, fanworks of any kind that are exchanged for goods, money, or services are something that SE most likely will ignore unless the issue is forced. Fanworks do a great job of advertising and promoting their products, so they do a lot of good for the company - but for SE to actually come out and say that it's okay opens up a very uncomfortable can of legal worms.

If you ask SE if it is okay, they will almost certainly say "no". If you don't ask and just do it? SE will likely look the other way, as long as the exchanges are not high-profile or for an absurd amount of profit.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I don't think it's going to be an issue since you are not getting real life money involved and aren't screwing with the economy.

[ChibiChan_Hyperion]

Yes, because unlike RMTs whose only job to accumulate and sell gil in the mmo, tanking the economy through botting, cheating, and even hacking, your individual sale is a drop in the bucket. That's why I and many others call it a gray area.

If you are saying that they are contributing to the "wrong," even if it's only a drop in a bucket, then that is not gray it would be black as you've identified it as being wrong. "Gray area" is when you cannot distinguish clearly whether it is right (white) or wrong (black). A "small amount of wrong" is still "wrong." It's only when you mix right and wrong together that it becomes any kind of gray.

But if YOU make a desicion to offer money to someone if they carry you thru something then aslong as you dont connect those 2 things by shouting in ingame chat how you just payed 20 dollars to get a primal carry you should be fine.

So basically, "against ToS, use at your own risk."

[MeiUshu]

The Company can do whatever they like, even if it COULD be considered RMT it is not because that is THEIR business, how can they punish themselves right?

But if you do that, and you didnt gain their authorization prior to post those, it might well be considered a form of RMT or rather then RMT in this case it would be Advertising which is against ToS.

What is allowed to them even if similar is not allowed for the common of mortals,

If you intend to do that, I would first gain their approval....using their name for your own benefit even if it is in the end art that is related to FF, it is still for your benefit using their name.....see my point ?

Mei

[Fornix]

Directly from the ToS:

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

source: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

Of interest is the following snippet:

You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world ... value any in-game currency ... .

Value in this context implies monetary worth. Art has value, and as such the trade between art and gil would conflict with the ToS. So in essence by selling your art, you're purchasing gil. And the person purchasing the art, is merely selling gil.

[Nel_Celestine]

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Wish people would use this logic with things like 3rd Party tools (parsers etc) instead of saying "grey area don't ask don't tell" when it's in the ToS that they are against it. Two way street. Both are grey area or neither are.

[Devils_Lawyer]

So basically, "against ToS, use at your own risk."

Yes, it becomes kinda like with parsers, not allowed but SE wont put energy or effort to try stop it unless someone says it to their face.