Fishing RNG... Really!?

[jwilliams133]

The title says it all... The over-reliance on RNG for fisher has to be the worst design ever. Fishing is the only class in the game that 100% relies on RNG. Crafters have been given skills to curb RNG's effect, but what are fishers given? Nada. Fishing needs seriously reworked. I can enjoy fishing to the point of losing a fish I shouldn't when I've already fished for weeks to get a rare mooch.

Rant over.

[Eye_Gore]

Also the only gatherer with no off hand that gives some additional stat boost. Useless GP. Have to over meld the over melds just to get gathering stats up to par with a non-melded BTN/MIN.

[Garlyle]

Also the only gatherer with no off hand that gives some additional stat boost. Useless GP. Have to over meld the over melds just to get gathering stats up to par with a non-melded BTN/MIN.

The classes have completely different expectations of players stats, you realise. If fishing actually expected BTN/MIN tier stats it'd be impossible, but it doesn't - the stat cutoffs for catching fish are based off of what a Fisher can actually get.

Also having an off-hand for an additional stat boost literally just means you have to sink more money into the class. I'm actually quite happy Fisher doesn't need to do that.

[Eye_Gore]

The classes have completely different expectations of players stats, you realise. If fishing actually expected BTN/MIN tier stats it'd be impossible, but it doesn't - the stat cutoffs for catching fish are based off of what a Fisher can actually get.

Also having an off-hand for an additional stat boost literally just means you have to sink more money into the class. I'm actually quite happy Fisher doesn't need to do that.

Tell that to the Titanic Saw fish. What I have to sink money into is materia. If it had an off-hand I could craft it for free.

[ServerCollaps]

titanic saw can be caught with 240 gathering, you dont need any melds in your gear to hit that, you dont even need food or other buffs

btw fisher has an ilvl 80 mainhand to compensate a missing oh tool

[Eye_Gore]

titanic saw can be caught with 240 gathering, you dont need any melds in your gear to hit that, you dont even need food or other buffs

btw fisher has an ilvl 80 mainhand to compensate a missing oh tool

295 gathering on mine, 400 lugworms later, still no saw fish. The rod you get at 50 iLvl 55 has the same gathering as BTN and MIN main at 50.

[ServerCollaps]

the gathering rate has no influences if you get bites or not, it's all rng
some people might have 400+ gathering and wont catch a titanic, an offhand tool wont change that

needed are only ~240 gathering which neither needs materia nor something else


you cant compare fisher with botanist/miner, they are 100% different classes, all you have to think about when fishing is: which gathering rate is required to do not get the "gathering is too low" message -> once you hit the requirement you can always get the fish

perception is basically useless and you dont need any GP

[Kalandros]

With 399 gathering I had no problem getting both the Titanic Sawfish and Pirate's Bane in a few minutes.

Git gud with RNG.

[Eye_Gore]

you cant compare fisher with botanist/miner, they are 100% different classes,

Then get it out of the DoL class. All classes/roles are comparable to their grouping except FSH. Put it in its own class then. Call it "are you feeling lucky today?" or "bored as hell, ain't got nothing better to do". or maybe "try and catch me with your useless stats that don't mean anything" But I think that was the whole point of the OP's message. My point was to maybe realign the stats so that they actually work for you. That's all.

And if I hear another person say " oh I caught the saw fish in only a few minutes" I'm going to punch a Lalafell, and punt him off Cape Westwind, then maybe I'll catch one. A sacrifice to try and appease the RNG gods.

[LineageRazor]

Tell that to the Titanic Saw fish. What I have to sink money into is materia. If it had an off-hand I could craft it for free.

I almost burst out laughing when I read this - off-hands are the farthest thing from free. Crafting and Gathering off-hands may well be the most expensive single piece of equipment to meld in the entire game, since they have only one slot and can fully utilize FIVE Tier IV materia. I am SO glad that I have at least one crafting/gathering class where I don't need to worry about the dizzying amount of gil (or time spiritbonding) I'll need to spend to meld the off-hand.

But yeah, fish stat requirements are lower due to the lack of an off-hand boost. As for the RNG, it was made a part of FSH as a deliberate appeal to folks that LIKE the randomness, people who get a rush out of finally seeing that jackpot catch. Because of this FSH was also deliberately made a very low-impact part of the game; there's very few things that FSH provides that are needed by crafters or anyone else, and of those things almost all of them can be caught by a lvl 50 FSH in basic gear. People are encouraged to fish because they like fishing, not because FSH is an important part of the game.

Worm of Nym (and possibly Emperor Fish) are really the only exceptions to this.