Fishing RNG... Really!?

[Eye_Gore]

i had about 330 gathering on mine, got the titanic sawfish to appear, and lost it because "gathering skill was too low"

If you are referring to the message that appears something like "you sense a larger catch comes to the surface" or something like that. That was added in 2.4 patch, I don't think that is the saw fish, from the patch notes:

Fish that only appear based on your previous catches have been added.
E.g. Breeds of fish that only appear after five of their natural predator have been caught.

I can't imagine the silver shark or wahoo being a predator of the saw fish, since you need the wahoo to catch the saw fish. I think the only way to know that you hooked the saw fish is to watch the pole and how it bends. I've now been through over 500 lugworms and no saw fish.

I will try and overmeld my gear, to get my gathering up over 300 and see if that helps ( I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

[Garlyle]

I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

I'll argue the opposite - nothing to date has suggested in any way that gathering has any impact on what fish are attempted to be landed, just on whether the catch is successful, and your case is just speculation. Sitting at upwards of 350 gathering for a while now I've had a variety of timings involved in how many casts any given map requires - and there's a great deal of other factors (Availability of other fish in the pool, bait, etc).

Not that raising your gathering's a bad idea, if not solely to ensure that when it does show up you don't miss it. And hey, do it now and you don't have to do it later.

Titanic's just known to have taken quite a while for some people - one FC friend of mine has probably been to the open window about 30 times now and still hasn't had it show up. Everyone's got a different fish that just refuses to show (looking at you ninja betta)

[Shadygrove]

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I will try and overmeld my gear, to get my gathering up over 300 and see if that helps ( I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

My fisher alt, http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1417349/ is currently at Gathering 366 and Perception 300 without food. Even with food there are some fish she cannot catch due to gathering too low.

Yes raising your gathering and perception WILL help. But the Boarskin map thing is our old friend the RNG. She gets them usually in the first 15 casts, but occasionally fishing fatigue will set in before she can land one.

[ServerCollaps]

the gathering rate has no influences if you get bites or not, it's all rng
some people might have 400+ gathering and wont catch a titanic, an offhand tool wont change that

needed are only ~240 gathering which neither needs materia nor something else


you cant compare fisher with botanist/miner, they are 100% different classes, all you have to think about when fishing is: which gathering rate is required to do not get the "gathering is too low" message -> once you hit the requirement you can always get the fish

perception is basically useless and you dont need any GP

[Eye_Gore]

you cant compare fisher with botanist/miner, they are 100% different classes,

Then get it out of the DoL class. All classes/roles are comparable to their grouping except FSH. Put it in its own class then. Call it "are you feeling lucky today?" or "bored as hell, ain't got nothing better to do". or maybe "try and catch me with your useless stats that don't mean anything" But I think that was the whole point of the OP's message. My point was to maybe realign the stats so that they actually work for you. That's all.

And if I hear another person say " oh I caught the saw fish in only a few minutes" I'm going to punch a Lalafell, and punt him off Cape Westwind, then maybe I'll catch one. A sacrifice to try and appease the RNG gods.

[MeridaQ]

And if I hear another person say " oh I caught the saw fish in only a few minutes" I'm going to punch a Lalafell, and punt him off Cape Westwind, then maybe I'll catch one. A sacrifice to try and appease the RNG gods.

*hides under my tiny blanket and continues fishing for big fish*

[Kalandros]

With 399 gathering I had no problem getting both the Titanic Sawfish and Pirate's Bane in a few minutes.

Git gud with RNG.

[KEV1N]

Someone tagged this topic "just like real fishing".

Fish in real life don't cease to exist just because it starts raining or gets a bit cloudy.

[Shadygrove]

Someone tagged this topic "just like real fishing".

Fish in real life don't cease to exist just because it starts raining or gets a bit cloudy.

Some do, some don't.

[Fynlar]

The classes have completely different expectations of players stats, you realise. If fishing actually expected BTN/MIN tier stats it'd be impossible, but it doesn't - the stat cutoffs for catching fish are based off of what a Fisher can actually get.

1) They aren't actually that much different; highest BTN/MIN items requires 420 gathering, highest FSH item needs something like... 407, 408? It's a LOT less than the difference an offhand would make.
2) As such, BTN/MIN can easily get everything while still far below their stat caps

Not so with fishing. Come back when you have BTN/MINs doing things like taking i70 DoW/DoM accessories and melding those instead simply for the extra one point of gathering/perception each, milking every little stat point they possibly can, and STILL struggling to obtain their items.