Fishing RNG... Really!?

[Garlyle]

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You seem to think I'm not intimately familiar with the challenges of Fisher.

And I'll just answer one thing: We don't have to factor GP into anything. Our BiS wrists? Done in one overmeld by using two Grade III materia. Botanist/Miner BiS wrists? Four overmelds. The amount of tier IV materia BTN/MIN have to sink into their gear even before considering offhands is massive compared to what Fisher does, and then there's the massive cost of Offhand overmeld failures.

The cost of pushing FSH towards its caps is drastically less than what it would cost to push BTN/MIN towards its caps. Only recently with the Forager's gear has this changed and even now it's more like it's comparable. Offhands being introduced for Fisher would still come with a soaring of Gathering/Perception expectations to match.

[Kalandros]

Highest btn/min actually requires more to get efficiently at good rates and to uncover the actual item out of the unspoiled node in one strike instead of 2.

Once you get it high enough, you're pretty close to 100%, just one skill use (which Fishers lack) and you always get the item

We need more control over fishing ]: not just 100% RNG

[Lardinho]

yeah 100% RNG is rubbish. Although I'm not sure what changed in the last patch, but I seem to be getting a better rate the higher my skills. I'm capped at the moment with FC buffs and HQ spinach quiche and my rate has been way better. Maybe it's just a very high curve.

[Fynlar]

You seem to think I'm not intimately familiar with the challenges of Fisher.

Your first post in this thread didn't seem to indicate such intimate understanding :<

Offhands being introduced for Fisher would still come with a soaring of Gathering/Perception expectations to match.

I don't see why this would necessarily have to be the case when they're already basically as high as BTN/MIN's are, as indicated by the fact how even with BiS everything for FSH you can and will continuously lose big fish, and not even just the most difficult ones. Right now, FSH is behind where BTN/MIN is in terms of their stat potential keeping up with what is available for them to obtain.

And I'll just answer one thing: We don't have to factor GP into anything.

You act like this is supposed to help FSH somehow.

[Garlyle]

I don't see why this would necessarily have to be the case when they're already basically as high as BTN/MIN's are

It's not accidental that the difficulties of obtaining the largest fish are set to what they are right now. Yes, it would help with current fish - and all future fish in turn would be based around having it. The devs are fully aware of what the potential stat caps for Fishing are, and they've chosen time and time again to set the 'final test' for "Yeah, you're going to need almost perfect". That trend would likely just continue, because that's the intent they have demonstrated so far.

as indicated by the fact how even with BiS everything for FSH you can and will continuously lose big fish, and not even just the most difficult ones.

If fish were intended to be in any way a guaranteed catch, they'd have very different mechanics from what they have now, if not solely in terms of the rate vs minimum-to-catch lenience they would have given us. It's not BTN/MIN.

You act like this is supposed to help FSH somehow.

It does. If we're not spending money on GP materia/higher level materia so we have space for GP materia, we can, for the same amount of functional/financial investment as BTN/MIN, come closer to our max potential. That's what's being factored in.

What I wanna stress here though is something I've brought up before on the subject of Fisher off-hands: Those things eat money to meld well. Adding one "for more stats" sounds nice, but frankly, it just makes the investment floor higher. The desired end result - having more reliable catches on the most difficult fish - doesn't require the implementation of an off-hand, but rather a change in the way these catch rates and requirements are being set to begin with.

i had about 330 gathering on mine, got the titanic sawfish to appear, and lost it because "gathering skill was too low"

Titanic should not have that message appear at 330 gathering. However, there's a new fish that can appear under certain conditions that has an absolutely massive Gathering requirement, and that would have prompted the message.