I don't agree that 10k-20k SP per hour is good? When did I say that? Stop responding to what you "think" I say, and respond to what I "actually" say, please. The only reason I don't "make sense" is because you are reading what I'm writing but somehow not understanding what I'm talking about.
If you know how to grind, you can get 10-20k/hour (easy part). But it requires a lot of knowledge about the game, which not a lot of people have (hard part).
- and I just explained how leve-linking is better for a 5 hour party than leve-sharing. Did you read that, or just dismiss it outright because you assume you're always right?
Remember how I mentioned that I frame SP gain as a derivative of time? Remember why I did that?
When you leve-link, you get anywhere from 50-75k/hour
When you leve-share, you get anywhere from 20-30k/hour. (2.5x less)
If you leve link for 5 hours, you get 250-375k SP.
If you leve share for 5 hours, you get 100-150k SP.
I'm operating under the assumption that you always have leve links for the whole 5 hours. When you compare two different things, you have to keep external variables as constant as possible.
Time is always a concern, even if you don't perceive it to be. If we're talking about maximizing SP, then yes, I can speak for them because if they're ignoring time, then by definition, they are not trying to maximize SP.
If I have 20 hours a day to play I'm going to use all 20 of those hours using the SP gain method that has the best SP/hr RATE.
In my leve-link example, you do your best to get as many leves as you can. When you run out, you get more. Yes, that is leeching. I said this is the best way to get SP, not a way I agree with and like to do. This is also why I gave the secondary option of grinding mobs instead.
It seems I'm just going to have to show you through math why you're wrong, since you don't understand the concepts I'm explaining to you. I was hoping you could conceptualize the numbers without having to type them all out, but I guess not.
Scenario: Two different 8-players parties. Each player has one leve: Dunesfolk for Dinner. Both parties have 5 hours to play. Party A does the leve twice, with full links both times; Party B does the leve 8 times, sharing the leve each time and not linking. Once out of leves, each party resorts to normal mob grinding for 10kSP/hour.
Constant Variables:
- Each leve takes 10 minutes to complete.
- There are 14 dogs and 3 peistes on every leve.
- All mobs hit the dlvl 10 cap for maximum rank difference bonus.
- Both parties use as much Guardian's Favor as possible to get as much SP as they can.
SP = [base SP] x [dlvl modifier] x [party modifier] x [Guardian Aspect] x [link bonus]
SP gained on a Dunesfolk leve with 3 links:
1 dog = [125] x [3] x [0.65] x [1.5] x [2.5] = 915 SP per person.
1 peiste = [100] x [3] x [0.65] x [1.5] x [2.5] = 732 SP per person
14 dogs + 3 peistes = (915 x 14) + (732 x 3) = 15,006 SP
SP gained on a Dunesfolk leve with 0 links:
1 dog = [125] x [3] x [0.65] x [1.5] = 366 SP per person.
1 peiste = [100] x [3] x [0.65] x [1.5] = 293 SP per person
14 dogs + 3 peistes = (366 x 14) + (293 x 3) = 6003 SP
SP gained by Party A in 5 hours:
15,006 SP x 2 leves (0.33 hours) + 10,000SP/hour x 4.66 hours = 30,012 SP + 46,000 SP = 76,612 SP (20 guardians favor used)
SP gained by Party B in 5 hours:
6003 SP x 8 leves (2.66 hours) + 10,000SP/hr x 2.33 hours = 71,324 SP (80 guardians favor used - big fat waste)
Does it make sense to you now? I even used the lowest grinding SP/hr to make it more favorable for your leve-share scenario. In reality, my parties exceed 10k SP/hour grinding normal mobs. Not to mention that it's very difficult to keep all 8 leve-holders in a party for 2.66 hours.
It doesn't reflect well upon you if you have to resort to insults in order to prove your point. I know what's efficient and what isn't through testing, not feelings.
I said it was "difficult" (especially for newbies). I didn't say it was "impossible". It was difficult to build a party in FF11 too, yet that was good enough for most people.
If you solo for 2,500 SP, you're wasting time that you could have used making a party so that you can solo for much better SP gains as a party.