[dev1021]SP in non-leve parties

[Rentahamster]

"It's not hard to get 10k/hr." (Specifying what you mean? What's that? Obviously I need to just understand that you are talking about two separate things and using one, insufficient term to describe them both).

So, I guess you are making me quote myself.

First post (how to grind 10k/hr, what mobs to fight, what the problem is (implied), and how to fix it easily):

Well, you can get anywhere from 10k to almost 20k per hour grinding raptors. We just need to make a larger variety of mobs more grindable, primarily by increasing respawn rates, mob populations, and increasing base SP to 150 for more mobs.

Second Post (reiteration of the problems):

There's also a limited number of good SP grind spots, as I noted in a previous post. It mainly comes down to a disturbing lack of viable choices available to a player in order to adequately gain SP via leves or regular mob grinding.

News flash - This quote: "Grinding for 10k/hr minimum is easy if you know where to go, but there are not a lot of places to go, and not many people know where they are." Where you thanked me for "getting to the damn point", is the same point I made in the first 3 posts of this thread.

So when it is practical for only a select few, the rest of the peolpe don't matter? The average is more important than the high-end or the low-end.

Good players are always going to be able to advance faster than mediocre players. That's how life works.

When on a Japanese server, do what the Japanese do. And didn't everyone have a Linkshell in this game according to you?

The Japanese shout for parties in Uldah too. And you still haven't explained how you can magically form a pick up party while soloing since there's no one around to hear you.

[Betelgeuzah]

So, I guess you are making me quote myself.

And nowhere in there do you even mention what's wrong with guildleves (yet you say that is a part of the problem). This is just one of the many times you are not explaining yourself properly.

You also do not specify what you mean by "adequately" (lump this into same category with "good" and "hard"- subjective terms that we need to dig up half of your posts to even try to decipher what you may have meant by those words at any given time) nor why it is that getting to 10k sp/hr on more monsters than raptors is not possible. You still haven't.

Good players are always going to be able to advance faster than mediocre players. That's how life works.

And are the Good players (those with a linkshell) the ones with the problem? No? Then why bring them up?

The Japanese shout for parties in Uldah too. And you still haven't explained how you can magically form a pick up party while soloing since there's no one around to hear you.

Your problem is that you don't care to specify whatever you mean at the time. "It takes 30 minutes to build a pick-up party. This is a problem." Why is it a problem? Because you can't supposedly leave Ul'dah while doing it? Isn't this a problem with the search system? Why did you even bring it up when you could have simply continued with the search system feedback? Or at least explain how the two are connected. I don't really give a damn, but hey, this thread is not for you nor me.

Now the representative would have written down "it takes 30 minutes to build a party which is a waste of time." Then he will take it to the developers, who figure out "well that's too bad, but at least he can solo during the process!". You can't simply assume that the people who work on the game are experts on knowing how people play it. Our "job" is to tell them exactly that, in a way that they understand.

[Rentahamster]

Dude, this argument is getting tiresome. You don't think I've explained myself adequately, fine, whatever. I believe I have explained my position very thoroughly, in a manner that most people can grasp. Nitpicking about the interpretation of my words is irrelevant to the subject matter and this is going way too off-topic.

The OP asked about SP in non-leve parties and I gave my take on it.

[Betelgeuzah]

Nitpicking about the interpretation of my words is irrelevant to the subject matter

No, as that is the most important part of the subject matter. If there is room for interpretation, you haven't explained yourself adequately.

But I did finally get the answer out of you, so that's a success for me at least.

[Zezil]

i want something that make me excite and fun when play with friend not like some small quest that must do as loop forever for sp. protect city , airship battle fight , hunt pirate , teminete dragon's nest make other big quest and big trip that good sp and hard to win... even not win but still got good sp for reward i don't mind for it just need a Challenge trip more then something must do it like infinite loop

[Betelgeuzah]

That's just you. Everyone else understood perfectly fine.

"Acts as if s/he'd know"

Either way your suggestions were completely wrong for the problem presented, I just needed to confirm it. We could dig even deeper into that but I'm too lazy.

Or, you could have read my first 3 posts and saved us all lots of time.

As mentioned previously, you presented the problem inadequately and your solution sucked. Which was even confirmed by your later posts.

[AlexiaKidd]

Grind parties are mainly failing do to a complete lack of decent spots to go. High respawn times and the fact you have to run all over Eorzea to get the next mob as most of the time they are spread out pretty far not clustered together in camps make it very inefficient in most cases when I can go out with 3 of my LS friends and get 80/90k SP in 2 hours doing my Leves.

Like someone mentioned earlier the Raptor camp is ok for that rank range but if another party comes along there is no where near enough mobs to go around. If they lower the respawn times that would help but they still really need to look at mob placement across the board.