Final Coil Party Reward Restriction

[Jinrya-Geki]

Players can now repeat turns of the Final Coil of Bahamut prior to the weekly reset.

If your party contains players replaying a turn prior to the weekly reset, the number of treasure coffers appearing upon completion will decrease.*

Furthermore, players will be ineligible for rewards from treasure coffers if they replay a turn prior to the weekly reset.

* If there are one to four players in your party replaying a turn, only a single treasure coffer will appear.
If there are five to seven players in your party replaying a turn, no treasure coffers will appear.

Prior to entering the Final Coil of Bahamut, a dialog prompt will indicate both the number of players in your party who have completed the turn, and the number of treasure coffers available upon completion.

Why not allow just one chest to drop and not let the previous people who won it not to roll on it? That seems like the same reward either way.

[RileyLarson]

Beeeeeecause then you could just endlessly sell carries. Which I'm sure you know.

But what's really terrible about what they've chosen to implement it is that no one can utilize it to help a friend, because no one will want their loot halved because one guy comes in to sub for an absent raider or something.

This system would be fine if instead of '1-4' it was '3-4' or even '2-4', because then people could sub in if people couldn't make raid. Like this? Almost no one will use the feature.

Stupid.

[Ellatrix]

Beeeeeecause then you could just endlessly sell carries. Which I'm sure you know.

But what's really terrible about what they've chosen to implement it is that no one can utilize it to help a friend, because no one will want their loot halved because one guy comes in to sub for an absent raider or something.

This system would be fine if instead of '1-4' it was '3-4' or even '2-4', because then people could sub in if people couldn't make raid. Like this? Almost no one will use the feature.

Stupid.

I think plenty of people will be happy to have a chance at one chest on Sunday/Monday night as opposed to zero.

Doing coil is still better than not doing it at all.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Beeeeeecause then you could just endlessly sell carries. Which I'm sure you know.

But what's really terrible about what they've chosen to implement it is that no one can utilize it to help a friend, because no one will want their loot halved because one guy comes in to sub for an absent raider or something.

This system would be fine if instead of '1-4' it was '3-4' or even '2-4', because then people could sub in if people couldn't make raid. Like this? Almost no one will use the feature.

Stupid.

They had a ton of great ideas thrown at them for how to fix the reward, and they opted for a sub-par one.

[Jinrya-Geki]

I think plenty of people will be happy to have a chance at one chest on Sunday/Monday night as opposed to zero.

Doing coil is still better than not doing it at all.

Yeah, it is better than doing nothing. Now I will be able to do it, but now I'll never get the reward for it till whenever the get rid of that party restriction.

[RachaelMarie22]

If you're the only person in the group of 8 who hasn't cleared that week, you get no chest? More than 5 players repeating means no chest will drop. So to have a last minute go at one chest at the end of the week you need to have half the party having not cleared the content, and if you don't want to be wiping all night I guess those four new people would need to know what they are doing!

[RachaelMarie22]

Oh..he has deleted his post

[SeraviEdalborez]

I'm more curious if you can be skipped to T13 and still be able to get loot from 10-12 that week, since you didn't "see" loot from them that week.

[Nestama]

That's a very good question, Seravi. Anyone willing to test this (I can't because I'm still on T9)? It's FOR the greater good of SCIENCE.

[Kayko]

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Stupid.

I agree for the most part here. This was implemented poorly.

For my FC, we are a casual bunch with 3 groups running final coil. The groups typically run at different times and days in order to accommodate players personal lives. Originally this was thought to be able to have that one person miss a day and allow another to fill in that may have run it earlier in the week or fill in early and still run with their group later in the week. One or even two people are typically not going to make or break an encounter, there is still that time to adjust to playing with different players... heck, we still toss groups together from these final coil groups and manage to screw up turn 5.

One person to fill in without group penalty would have been more then a much needed improvement to the typical MMO weekly lockout system and it should have been no more then 3 to be able to fill in (or perhaps maybe a 4th but that would be no chests at all).
Why did they stop at 7 anyways? if you are going to allow 7 people, why not just allow the 8th so people can practice that have already done it for fun?


I really hope they revisit this quickly and make some adjustments. The people that would be using this system as it would have appeared to be intended should not get penalized so harshly. A single person should not be treated the same as 4 when it comes to the penalties.