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    The point of duels isn't about epeening over beating the other person, so 1v1 balance is a non issue. The purpose of duels is to practice fighting against classes and learning the best ways to play against them.

    Also, ilevel sync would be absolutely retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    The point of duels isn't about epeening over beating the other person, so 1v1 balance is a non issue. The purpose of duels is to practice fighting against classes and learning the best ways to play against them.

    Also, ilevel sync would be absolutely retarded.
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    This is a non factor to me, however. It's really no different than someone measuring "epeen" using ilvl and knowledge of raid or trial content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    Of course. That shouldn't be a reason against adding in the function though.

    Duels can be a helpful tool for learning how to deal with situations with no pressure or penalty for "losing". If you keep getting yolo420swag rekt by ninjas in FL, duel one over and over until you're more comfortable against them.

    FL and WD don't provide that opportunity since you're immediately under pressure to win, instead of learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    So then let them?
    I mean, christ
    That's already happening with literally all the other content in the game, doesn't mean we should get rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    Of course. That shouldn't be a reason against adding in the function though.

    Duels can be a helpful tool for learning how to deal with situations with no pressure or penalty for "losing". If you keep getting yolo420swag rekt by ninjas in FL, duel one over and over until you're more comfortable against them.

    FL and WD don't provide that opportunity since you're immediately under pressure to win, instead of learn.
    Sorry, but your example is very poor. The main reason people get "rekt" by ninjas in Frontlines is their sneak attack/trick attack out of hide alpha strikes. That something a duel can't teach you to be prepared for.

    All a 1v1 duel prepares you for are 1v1 duels. They don't prepare healers to be focused by more than one person. They don't teach Paladins how to properly cover and protect other characters.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheodoreMcIntyre View Post
    So then let them?
    I mean, christ
    That's already happening with literally all the other content in the game, doesn't mean we should get rid of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    This is a non factor to me, however. It's really no different than someone measuring "epeen" using ilvl and knowledge of raid or trial content.
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    All a 1v1 duel prepares you for are 1v1 duels. They don't prepare healers to be focused by more than one person. They don't teach Paladins how to properly cover and protect other characters.
    It could teach paladins to stun when a marauder uses berserk and raging strikes. Or a teach these BLMs that fire > fire > fire > alt tab to forums isn't a good PvP strategy. It's really up to the player to be able to take away useful information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
    Not to discredit you, but this sounds incredibly subjective. SE comes down hard on harassment as it is. A single temp ban for the offending player will more than likely stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
    Have you ever PVPed in this game literally ever?
    I mean, good God, it's already exactly like that in regular PVP.
    It would be absolutely no worse and there's no reason to think it would be.
    Also
    duel invite spamming...
    That's not at all a reason to keep duels out because that is incredibly easy fix.
    Character > PVP Profile > Duels > Automatically deny duel invitations

    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    If that's all you choose to take away, then that's your choice.

    I can create a silly real life scenario comparison in similar logic to yours. It might help you understand where people against the ilvl sync are coming from.

    "I'm sorry guys, you can't wear tennis shoes on the court anymore. Everybody has to wear flip flop sandals instead to make it fair for players who don't have shoes."

    "But there's a vendor right there handing out shoes for free...all you'd have to do is take the effort to walk over..."

    "IT HAS TO BE FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR"
    This is the worst example by far but really I'm not sure what to expect from somebody who litters their posts with
    I can reach those straws for you, if you'd like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    Also, ilevel sync would be absolutely retarded.
    Honestly, given you seem to want duels for practice (Ultimatecalibur pretty much covered why that doesn't work, so I wont bother) I'd love to know why, given PvP is ilevel capped. What sense is there practicing on a i130 Black Mage against a i80 Dragoon? All that does is give miss information, like how many nukes it takes to kill them, or how many hits you can take. If you're both capped at the same level, like you would be in the regular PvP you're practicing for, it gives a much better base to practice from.

    I would actually say Wolves' Den is there for practicing. 4v4 lets you learn how classes work with and against each other and is far more useful than learning how quickly a good Marauder can wreck any mage 1v1. Duels have never been about practice, they've always been about settling arguments or showing off, both historically and digitally.
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    Last edited by Nalien; 12-14-2014 at 11:37 PM.

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