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    At the moment the jobs are more balanced for team scenarios, but as someone already said, fighting the same job is perfectly fine and fun for right now.

    They do seem to be slowly making adjustments towards more balance. And I swear at one point SE mentioned dueling within the confines of an FC house. >_> Source still not offhand but still.
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    The point of duels isn't about epeening over beating the other person, so 1v1 balance is a non issue. The purpose of duels is to practice fighting against classes and learning the best ways to play against them.

    Also, ilevel sync would be absolutely retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    The point of duels isn't about epeening over beating the other person, so 1v1 balance is a non issue. The purpose of duels is to practice fighting against classes and learning the best ways to play against them.

    Also, ilevel sync would be absolutely retarded.
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    This is a non factor to me, however. It's really no different than someone measuring "epeen" using ilvl and knowledge of raid or trial content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    Of course. That shouldn't be a reason against adding in the function though.

    Duels can be a helpful tool for learning how to deal with situations with no pressure or penalty for "losing". If you keep getting yolo420swag rekt by ninjas in FL, duel one over and over until you're more comfortable against them.

    FL and WD don't provide that opportunity since you're immediately under pressure to win, instead of learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Intended application and actual application can be far different. The moment 1v1 duels are added someone is going to start trying to measure epeen using them.
    So then let them?
    I mean, christ
    That's already happening with literally all the other content in the game, doesn't mean we should get rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    Of course. That shouldn't be a reason against adding in the function though.

    Duels can be a helpful tool for learning how to deal with situations with no pressure or penalty for "losing". If you keep getting yolo420swag rekt by ninjas in FL, duel one over and over until you're more comfortable against them.

    FL and WD don't provide that opportunity since you're immediately under pressure to win, instead of learn.
    Sorry, but your example is very poor. The main reason people get "rekt" by ninjas in Frontlines is their sneak attack/trick attack out of hide alpha strikes. That something a duel can't teach you to be prepared for.

    All a 1v1 duel prepares you for are 1v1 duels. They don't prepare healers to be focused by more than one person. They don't teach Paladins how to properly cover and protect other characters.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheodoreMcIntyre View Post
    So then let them?
    I mean, christ
    That's already happening with literally all the other content in the game, doesn't mean we should get rid of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    This is a non factor to me, however. It's really no different than someone measuring "epeen" using ilvl and knowledge of raid or trial content.
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    All a 1v1 duel prepares you for are 1v1 duels. They don't prepare healers to be focused by more than one person. They don't teach Paladins how to properly cover and protect other characters.
    It could teach paladins to stun when a marauder uses berserk and raging strikes. Or a teach these BLMs that fire > fire > fire > alt tab to forums isn't a good PvP strategy. It's really up to the player to be able to take away useful information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
    Not to discredit you, but this sounds incredibly subjective. SE comes down hard on harassment as it is. A single temp ban for the offending player will more than likely stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Level of player toxicity would be on a very different scale. Taunting, harassment, duel invite spamming...
    Have you ever PVPed in this game literally ever?
    I mean, good God, it's already exactly like that in regular PVP.
    It would be absolutely no worse and there's no reason to think it would be.
    Also
    duel invite spamming...
    That's not at all a reason to keep duels out because that is incredibly easy fix.
    Character > PVP Profile > Duels > Automatically deny duel invitations

    Quote Originally Posted by Layth View Post
    If that's all you choose to take away, then that's your choice.

    I can create a silly real life scenario comparison in similar logic to yours. It might help you understand where people against the ilvl sync are coming from.

    "I'm sorry guys, you can't wear tennis shoes on the court anymore. Everybody has to wear flip flop sandals instead to make it fair for players who don't have shoes."

    "But there's a vendor right there handing out shoes for free...all you'd have to do is take the effort to walk over..."

    "IT HAS TO BE FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR"
    This is the worst example by far but really I'm not sure what to expect from somebody who litters their posts with
    I can reach those straws for you, if you'd like.
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