RNG is Back with ZODIAC Relic

[Edeline]

Being a casual player doesn't mean you want to keep playing yesterdays content. The problem this game has is that it's constantly gear-scaled. A new patch is released, a new bunch of dungeons come out and a whole new set of gear to grind up. Also, a whole new bunch of item levels required to take part.

You could 'casually' obtain Novus over the course of a year, but what would that achieve? You'd have a weapon which is not only unfinished, but completely antiquated even in its final form.

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort. And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

[Keisatsu]

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort. And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

Oh somebody that actually understands what I'm going on about, you don't have to commit all the time in the world to these things, just do them along with your daily things, roulettes and what-not and you'll be done at a casual, easy pace.
Since when do casuals care about what it would achieve? I for one certainly don't and yet here I am close to Excalibur / Aegis shield without having done T9 :s (though some will get their giggles making fun of me for that, I hardly care)

[Lemuria]

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort.

Except... it's not fun. It's not even remotely enjoyable. Where's the fun in endlessly grinding materia just to blow it up in 30 seconds? Where's the fun in grinding the gil necessary to PURCHASE the items you need to spiritbond? Where's the 'fun' in staying in a zone waiting on a Fate that hasn't spawned in the last 3 hours? If you consider any of those tasks 'fun', then you have a very warped sense of taste.

And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

I don't believe you. For a start, it's literally impossible to do it this way. Assuming you had three atma's weapons to begin with when the alexandrite was released and you earned your alex using dailies, you could only complete 2.8 relic weapons to Novus. So, not even three of them.

That means you've must've put in effort to earn Alexandrite in different ways. Either via hunts (presumed) or using the maps, which are purchased using additional mythology at a rate of 800 per map or 400 soldiery more recently. Now comes the materia costs. You've melded 225 to get that far. Great. Now tally up how much that cost you. If it's not gil spent buying the materia, it's gil spent buying the materials to craft the spiritbond gear. If it's not gil spent doing either, then it's TIME spent doing the lot, which is considerably less casual.

So which is it? Throw lots of gil at it or spend ages on every tiny little aspect? Neither of which is a remotely 'casual' option.

[Canadane]

You imply that a casual approach must be gil bought. Which is simply untrue.

[Lemuria]

You imply that a casual approach must be gil bought. Which is simply untrue.

Read it again. I imply that a 'casual' approach requires that you EITHER spend a lot of gil or you farm literally EVERYTHING. The latter certainly doesn't sound very casual to me though, but it's fine if you don't mind waiting a year to actually finish the thing. Never mind that by then we'll have ilvl 140 weapons which are easier to obtain and more powerful to boot.

That is, of course, assuming that you're actually planning on melding anything remotely useful to your Novus. You could always stick on rubbish stats and get a weapon which is weak in both ilvl and secondaries, but surely that would defeat the purpose? Let's also not forget the 400k needed for the final step, so gil remains a factor regardless.

[Keisatsu]

Read it again. I imply that a 'casual' approach requires that you EITHER spend a lot of gil or you farm literally EVERYTHING. The latter certainly doesn't sound very casual to me though, but it's fine if you don't mind waiting a year to actually finish the thing. Never mind that by then we'll have ilvl 140 weapons which are easier to obtain and more powerful to boot.

That is, of course, assuming that you're actually planning on melding anything remotely useful to your Novus. You could always stick on rubbish stats and get a weapon which is weak in both ilvl and secondaries, but surely that would defeat the purpose? Let's also not forget the 400k needed for the final step, so gil remains a factor regardless.

You make it sound like either of those is hard for a casual..either I don't count as a casual because I can afford these easily whilst not even committing more than 3 hours a day at max on these things or you're underestimating us..or you're only speaking for yourself..

[Edeline]

I don't believe you. For a start, it's literally impossible to do it this way. Assuming you had three atma's weapons to begin with when the alexandrite was released and you earned your alex using dailies, you could only complete 2.8 relic weapons to Novus. So, not even three of them.

That means you've must've put in effort to earn Alexandrite in different ways. Either via hunts (presumed) or using the maps, which are purchased using additional mythology at a rate of 800 per map or 400 soldiery more recently. Now comes the materia costs. You've melded 225 to get that far. Great. Now tally up how much that cost you. If it's not gil spent buying the materia, it's gil spent buying the materials to craft the spiritbond gear. If it's not gil spent doing either, then it's TIME spent doing the lot, which is considerably less casual.

So which is it? Throw lots of gil at it or spend ages on every tiny little aspect? Neither of which is a remotely 'casual' option.

I meant that for Novus into Nexus transition. Also, you're taking it wrong again. You're saying hunts took effort (when someone posts you the locs and you just spend 2 mins there), or casual myth gain from frontlines. Everything about relic is casual, but doesn't mean it's not long, but if you keep thinking being casual has to do anything with time put in it, you're still wrong.