RNG is Back with ZODIAC Relic

[Hiruke]

SE, what happened?

I thought Atma was pretty telling with the amount of backlash players gave.

Now the RNG revolves around completing outdated dungeons and praying to RNJesus.

Reports of 20+ AV runs with no drop, etc.

Why did you decide to do this again?

I suspect two things:

1) Dev team may have a gambling problem, as they seem to grossly overvalue the "yay" moment of totally random chance finally falling in your favor. This is perhaps, somehow, the worst aspect of the game, and they seem determined to transform this into Pachinko Fantasy XIV. Luck is the only thing that matters, right? And time spent.

Getting lucky and grinding, THAT'S THE FUTURE OF MMOS!

2) Dev team assuredly believes we should go back to old content repeatedly, for everything, to carry everyone on our backs, now that they are finally getting to that content. They may be trying too hard in the wrong way to keep things relevant.

[Mercutial]

2) Dev team assuredly believes we should go back to old content repeatedly, for everything, to carry everyone on our backs, now that they are finally getting to that content. They may be trying too hard in the wrong way to keep things relevant.

Agreed. I remember tackling WP for the first time only to wipe time and time again to the SECOND boss. This, of course, was ages ago. I thought back on this while we were carrying a first-timer thru last night (three of us needed our dungeon ATMA). Twelve minute speedrun. Poor DRG never had a chance to see the scenery. And probably will never be back until he needs the Zodiac weapon. Bit of a shame really. Is this what SE really intended?

[Felis]

Agreed. I remember tackling WP for the first time only to wipe time and time again to the SECOND boss. This, of course, was ages ago. I thought back on this while we were carrying a first-timer thru last night (three of us needed our dungeon ATMA). Twelve minute speedrun. Poor DRG never had a chance to see the scenery. And probably will never be back until he needs the Zodiac weapon. Bit of a shame really. Is this what SE really intended?

WP is part of the high level roulette. The first timer will enter it again to farm tomes.

[kyuven]

Getting lucky and grinding, THAT'S THE FUTURE OF MMOS!

Um, future? You do realize that one of the major and most pervasive complaints about MMOs goes all the way back to the very, VERY first ones where you killed 20 rats and not one of them seemed to have tails, right?
I mean, RNG-related quests are as ubiquitous to MMOs as people complaining on the forums.

[Buff_Archer]

I mean, RNG-related quests are as ubiquitous to MMOs as people complaining on the forums.

In that case, I'll do my very best to uphold my half of that bargain.

[Kinseykinz]

I suspect two things:





2) Dev team assuredly believes we should go back to old content repeatedly, for everything, to carry everyone on our backs, now that they are finally getting to that content. They may be trying too hard in the wrong way to keep things relevant.

It's not just a 'go back and help the noobs thing' you know. It's also a 'make sure that they keep playing more than 5-10% of the content' Sure, when you go back, if you queued via the roulette/without a full group you may or may not be helping folk through those instances...but the reality is, if you wanna farm fast, you likely form a team. Still, it means your team, that otherwise wouldn't have thought 'gee, lets go into DD today!' will actually now consider it...thus expanding the content you do.

I'm personally still farming lights...and not going to lie, so far I feel THAT's the 'worst part' of the questline...even though I have 'princess' WHM queues and even though it's cut and dry. Do x amount of runs in y place=finished. I just was never big into over-grinding content. And while some folk are in fact 'getting stuck' with bad luck in one dungeon or another(whom I'd like to point out are also rushing this content and attempting to finish it faster than the devs intended...hence your burnout) the reality is, the quest hasn't even been out a week yet, and people are already reporting solid progress.

So it can't be that bad/random.

@OP: Almost everything in this game is RNG.... What drops when you beat a primal? RNG. Who wins the lot? RNG. If anything, be thankful it seems to be that:
1. The drop rates/chances aren't nearly set as low as they were for ATMA
2. You can do this portion of the questline on any role you wish....so you could queue tank/healer if faster queues suit you better....or you could do farming/work on a secondary weapon etc with your support role and still get the goods. (this is the first time in the entire relic line this is true btw).

But really, give it more than a week folks. As this stage was most assuredly not designed/intended to be done in 1-3 days.