The fact of the matter is

[Grim_Lion]

Anyone notice that S.E. hasn't chimed in on this conversation?

That can only mean 1 of two things.

1) They know that the OP is right. That this game needs major overhauls to the way users interact with the client and other glaring structural problems with the game. They either are working on a fix, or have admitted defeat by staying silent.

2) They simply don't think that this is enough of an issue to respond to.

Both are bad options for us players who are still around. Either a fix is a long way away, there is no fix, or they dont think it even worthy of a fix. Its a loose, loose, loose situation for us players.

[Tsukino]

Anyone notice that S.E. hasn't chimed in on this conversation?

That can only mean 1 of two things.

1) They know that the OP is right. That this game needs major overhauls to the way users interact with the client and other glaring structural problems with the game. They either are working on a fix, or have admitted defeat by staying silent.

2) They simply don't think that this is enough of an issue to respond to.

Both are bad options for us players who are still around. Either a fix is a long way away, there is no fix, or they dont think it even worthy of a fix. Its a loose, loose, loose situation for us players.

Or they know and are annoyed that we think we know things about how the game is programmed. Or they think listing ongoing changes to UI and servers has already addressed it. Or they want to wait until they compile a better list of plans than "we'll look into it."

Or maybe, just maybe, this thread was posted yesterday and we can give them some freaking time for community representatives to organize the information and deliver it, in another language, to someone who just mentioned he was "out of commission" with a high fever for three days.

[DonMega]

It would be nice if we could get some feedback or a community rep to provoke a response from the developers for the OP's points on how the game doesn't handle as smoothly as most would expect it to. The UI isn't too bad for me but the server response and latency is what really shows up for me while playing the game not to mention the lag in towns and anywhere in gridania outside areas for some reason. My computer specs meet or exceed all the recommended specs and are listed on my profile and i run all graphic specs on FFXIV at standard settings with no additional stuff like AO,AA etc. and no shadows.

[Esk]

I don't really have an issue other then the slow retainers and such.
Ok its not super responsive but then its not as FPS so its not a game braking issues.

The client server side is the main thing (from what little i bothered to read) that could be an issue. I understand thier intention but i dont think its really needed, all the anti RTM ideas they have we know about serve to annoy the players as much as do anything i would think.
No fullscreen windowed and alt-tab kills the game so some are forced to use windower or other such programs.
Not being able to run my 2nd client from the same Pc is my main annoyance.

and many people are at least aware of bot programs or the many gaming keyboard you can virtually bot with anyway.
(Gaa fail, just realised my auto correct has been putting "key bored" every time till.. thats well... meh! anwyay)

To the OP:
I doubt that SE are not aware or working on improvements, we could use a technical round up, but the only guys that do that in a mmo I'm aware off is CCP, so I wouldn't hold my breath in SE changing the customer relations to that level.

[Esk]

Sorry to nitpick, but it's "keyboard." You keep writing "key bored." If that's just you being whimsical, carry on.

Again, sorry to be "that guy."

Also +1 the topic at hand.

I just clocked that on another thread (or actually this one it seems), was the bloody auto correct I use, teach me to check it myself not just right-click top option lol.

[Razor]

Anyone notice that S.E. hasn't chimed in on this conversation?

That can only mean 1 of two things.

1) They know that the OP is right. That this game needs major overhauls to the way users interact with the client and other glaring structural problems with the game. They either are working on a fix, or have admitted defeat by staying silent.

2) They simply don't think that this is enough of an issue to respond to.

Both are bad options for us players who are still around. Either a fix is a long way away, there is no fix, or they dont think it even worthy of a fix. Its a loose, loose, loose situation for us players.

A very loose situation indeed, almost as loose as your argument!

Trolling aside, the dev's do not reply to every single thread in these forums and just because they haven't responded doesn't mean either of the things you said. 1. this topic was started on the weekend, they do not reply to posts on the weekend. 2. this is not a brand new issue and even some of the most popular suggestion threads go unanswered. 3. a topic titled "the fact of the matter is" as if square enix and the devs should be stunned by the OP's stellar deduction of what is wrong with the game is not the best way to get the thread answered.

I don't have a link on me at the moment but I remember seeing a community rep saying that while they can't answer every thread that they do at least read them. Since most of us likely aren't Computer Science Master's with a speciality in Networking and Server-Client based online games, I don't forsee any of us being able to provide a specific solution to the problem. Besides a slew of people saying "this needs to get fixed" and arguing over whether Crystal Tools is or isn't a capable MMORPG engine hasn't really contributed anything to this thread. The most we can hope for is that the dev's take our woes seriously (which they likely do, their careers are at stake) and we will see a fix sometime.

[Ilean]

Leave PC specs out of this comparison, focus on what these 2 games can do with the same hardware.

Witcher 2 1600x900 on high settings minus motion blur in the awesome forest in chapter 1: 4 core CPU 30%, GPU 98%, about 40fps

FFXIV 1600x900, general draw quality 7, background quality 3, no DoF or AO in the black shroud, no player characters around: CPU 50% (can't ever use more than the equivalent of 2 cores), GPU 98%, about 40fps

-FFXIV is always using max CPU (2 cores)
-FFXIV framerate takes a serious hit as soon as a couple of player characters show in screen
-FFXIV forest looks like crap, blocky trees with crappy textures, fake leaves above, barely any foliage... etc...

The argument that MMO engines can't be optimized is BS. What they can't do is predict and control how many characters will show up on screen at any given time. FFXIV performance drops so much with just a couple of characters on screen that there is no way they can justify it.


Temperature complaints are out of place though, no game may tax your system beyond 100% (overclocking aside, but that's not the game's doing). If your main concern with the engine's crappy performance is overheating you should just get your PC looked at by someone who really knows about gaming hardware.

[Betelgeuzah]

Anyone notice that S.E. hasn't chimed in on this conversation?

I don't know how you could expect a response so quickly. The reps report our thoughts to the dev team (which they could have only done today, not during the weekend), the devs make up an adequate response during the next JP work day and then, maybe on the day after the reps can translate their response to us.

[Starflare]

I'm bumping this thread because the message in the OP is incredibly important to the future of this game. Without proper server fixes, better optimization and a client-side UI - all these fixes will have been for nothing.

I want to see them respond to this issue without the sugar coating or evasive maneuvers that SE is known for.

- Kurokikaze

[Darkshade]

I felt this thread needed a bump.