Quote Originally Posted by Dhex View Post
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> From the replies I've seen on the forums, the drop rates don't seem as horrendous as people make it out to be, especially not to the extent of Atma. You can do these objectives as any class as any level (such as leveling another class in DD) which is already a huge step up from comparing to Atma (where you had to use a zenith weapon and could not level another class). Granted some people have unlucky streaks (me included, getting upwards of 10+ run for AV), but its more or less an even ratio of the two that leaves me to believe that the droprate is far more reasonable this time around.

> Players create the hostile environment, not the objectives. I've had non-relic players give me trouble for not pulling every mob in the first room of AV or letting the seeds hatch (when the other dps/healer is actually killing them). Not pointing fingers, but what I'm getting at is that this goes both ways and doesn;t necessarily mean it's the relic players causing the hostility.

> As for as the aesthetics and concept behind the new weapons, I really like the steps, but I really, really dislike the end result. All of the weapons look nearly identical to each other in design and have lost individuality. There's no history behind these new weapons (which is a reoccurring problem for the entire quest in general, excluding the initial relic step), just "oh, there's a stronger weapon and we need to use different methods!" The vanilla relics had some nice designs to it; Stardust rod had the glowing orb, Artemis Bow was an actual harp (despite us not being able to actually use it as a harp...), Yoshimitsu is the only pair of ninjatos I can name off the top of my head (which fits the concept of a ninja very well), which gets replaced by an oversized dagger that shares the same design scheme as the other weapons. Based on the look of the weapons for the most part, it just doesn't fit for them to have that job-only tag on them because there's absolutely no reason an archer/rogue cannot use a typical bow/dagger (opposed to a compound holding harp/pair of ninjatos).